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I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who lives

across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista Ultimate.

She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her computer using

Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells me:

"Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are trying to

help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not. I

sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.



Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and not

compatible with her Ultimate?



Thank you for your help, in advance.


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Re:Offering Remote Assistance

She is behind some NAT (network address translation ) device, like a router.

If she plugs her system directly into the Internet modem, she will be able

to grant you control. Be sure her windows firewall is on. There are firewall

settings to enable remote assistance.



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"pjfelton" <pjfelton@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who

lives

across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista Ultimate.

She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her computer

using

Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells

me:

"Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are trying

to

help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not.

I

sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.



Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and

not

compatible with her Ultimate?



Thank you for your help, in advance.



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Re:Offering Remote Assistance

Remote Assistance feature is supported by all versions of Vista.

My suggestion is let your daughter check Network and Sharing Center and

make sure the network is shown as "Network(Private network)" instead of

"Network(Public network)". If not it needs be set as Private network.



pjfelton wrote:

Quote
I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who lives

across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista Ultimate.

She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her computer using

Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells me:

"Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are trying to

help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not. I

sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.



Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and not

compatible with her Ultimate?



Thank you for your help, in advance.

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Re:Offering Remote Assistance

pjfelton wrote:



Quote
I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who

lives across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista

Ultimate. She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her

computer using

Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells

me: "Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are

trying to

help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not.

I sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.



Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and

not compatible with her Ultimate?



Compatibility isn't the issue. Routers, firewalls, etc. are the issue. Make

it easy on both you and your daughter and don't bother with the built-in

Remote Assistance. I use Team Viewer (www.teamviewer.com) to help my

brother and other relations and it works perfectly. All the supportee has

to do is double-click on the Team Viewer executable (nothing to install)

and read you, the supporter, two sets of numbers which you plug into the

supporter module and voila! you will then connect and be in control of the

remote desktop. No messing about with static IPs, port forwarding, or any

of that.



I don't want to sound like I work for them because I don't; I've just had a

very nice experience using their software. And best of all, Team Viewer is

free for personal use.



Malke

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MS-MVP

Elephant Boy Computers

www.elephantboycomputers.com

Don't Panic!

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Re:Offering Remote Assistance

Hi,



I just did this very thing myself between a PC in the UK running XP

Pro(expert) and a Laptop in Florida USA running VISTA something (not sure

what version).



IT WORKS!!!!! Pretty well actually.



But there are a couple of loops to jump through.



The main issue is when one or both of the parties are behind a Router.



Routers have something call NAT as part of their makeup, it stands for

Network Address Translation. It is part of what protects you from the big

bad internet. Basically your internal network (yes even if you only have one

pc plugged to your router its a network) uses ipaddress's that are INvalid

on the internet probably (192.168.x.x). None of the switches/routers out

there will router to those address's.



Your router ( or modem attached to your router) gets one valid internet

ipaddress from your ISP when it is powered up. NAT in the router helps

multiple internal pc's share that one valid address, but there are better

descriptions of what NAT is, on the web, so if you are interested go look.



When Messenger sends the Remote assistance request to the ??expert?? it gets

the ipaddress of the pc it is running on and packages that and some other

bits of data up and sends it to the experts PC. This causes the experts

remote console to initiate and to look for the ipaddress passed as a

parameter. Now because the novice is behind a NAT router that's an ipaddress

that could only exist inside the experts network. The error is saying "I see

no ships", ie that ip is not responding inside the experts network, or worse

it might even be his/hers, very confusing, so it gives that rather

unhelpfull error message.



So the problem is that the novice's Messaenger need to get and send the

ipaddress of the router/modem and not the pc its running on. Not an easy

task for a novice. Nor is editing the strange little file that can be

produced if you use the email option. So Messenger need's a little help from

it's friends!!



uPnP in this case is Messengers friend:



If both the routers have the "uPnP" feature it is easy. uPnP software allows

software inside the routers network to dynamically configure the router.

This will allow the two routers to sort out the confusion, and also open the

correct ports. Port 3389 must be open on both the novice and experts

computer.



So in summary:



1. configure both routers to have uPnP turned on. ( may require reboot of

router)

On my Belkin router thats changed from within "System Settings", yours maybe

different )





2. open port 3389 on both routers ( I did this manually, but maybe with uPnP

enabled it will do it for you )

stick to doing it manually then you will remember to close it again when

you are finished.

On my Belkin that is done by setting up a "Virtual Server" yours maybe

different. That basically means you are telling the router that when it

see's unrequested traffic on port 3389 to pass it to one of the pc's inside

your network to handle. It is how you would run a web server on one pc in

your network)





When you are finished turn off uPnP and close the 3389 port.

Enabling uPnP could be considered a security risk as when enabled, it would

allow malicious code that might get onto your pc to also reconfigure your

router to let it do whatever it wanted. Not a good thing. ( spammers of the

world UNTIE ).





But basically it can work. You should ignore all the "expert" comment out

there on the web about how it is only any good for use on an internal

network.



And good luck













"pjfelton" <pjfelton@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who

lives

across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista Ultimate.

She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her computer

using

Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells

me:

"Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are trying

to

help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not.

I

sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.



Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and

not

compatible with her Ultimate?



Thank you for your help, in advance.





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Re:Offering Remote Assistance

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type on the pc keyboard. Any suggestions?

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"Malke" wrote:



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pjfelton wrote:



>I have a brand new laptop with Vista Home Premium, and my daughter who

>lives across the country just got her new desktop computer with Vista

>Ultimate. She needs LOTS of help, but I have been unable to log into her

>computer using

>Remote Assistance. Using our cell phones I walked her thru the whole

>process, but when I accept the invitation and use the password, it tells

>me: "Remote Assistance cannot make the connection" (The person you are

>trying to

>help might have closed Remote Assistance) - which she insists she has not.

>I sent her an invitation and she was able to remote into my computer.

>

>Question: Is my Vista Home Premium considered a "previous version" and

>not compatible with her Ultimate?



Compatibility isn't the issue. Routers, firewalls, etc. are the issue. Make

it easy on both you and your daughter and don't bother with the built-in

Remote Assistance. I use Team Viewer (www.teamviewer.com) to help my

brother and other relations and it works perfectly. All the supportee has

to do is double-click on the Team Viewer executable (nothing to install)

and read you, the supporter, two sets of numbers which you plug into the

supporter module and voila! you will then connect and be in control of the

remote desktop. No messing about with static IPs, port forwarding, or any

of that.



I don't want to sound like I work for them because I don't; I've just had a

very nice experience using their software. And best of all, Team Viewer is

free for personal use.



Malke

--

MS-MVP

Elephant Boy Computers

www.elephantboycomputers.com

Don't Panic!



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