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I bought a Toshiba Satellite Turion 64 (TL-58), and it has Vista Home

Premium 32 bit installed. I read MS doesn't support OEM installed OS's. I

take it there are two options;

1. Get Toshiba to send me a Vista Home Premium 'recovery disk set' with the

64 bit edition on it

2. Just buy Vista Home Premium 64 bit (standard, not upgrade) myself and

install it.



Have I missed anything?



TIA,

McG.


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You bought 32bit; they are not going to give you 64bit recovery disk.

Separate licence!



"McG." wrote:

"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

McG.





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You can borrow a 64-bit DVD (all versions are on the same DVD), install

64-bit Home Premium using your existing key. Some will tell you that

you're not supposed to borrow, but it's just media. The license key is

the thing you pay for (or obtain with your PC)



McG. wrote:

Also, please note there is not upgrade path from 32 to 64 bit Vista, its a

clean install only. So make sure you backup your data before proceeding with

the installation. Also, ensure that your applications and device drivers are

compatible.

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"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message



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Unless the notebook somehow supports more than 4GB RAM, is there any real

reason to go from 32 to 64? As far as I know the only real benefit has been

the support of memory. In terms of performance, etc.. I never saw anything

to indicate Windows64 would be better. Any info on this?





"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com>wrote in message

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You could ask Toshiba to supply 64-bit software for your system, they may do

so at a discount from buying the software yourself. I wouldn't recommend

buying and installing 64-bit Windows yourself unless you are 100% sure that

Toshiba has 64-bit drivers for your laptop, since it's quite easy to turn a

laptop into a brick if the proper driver support is not available.



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"McG." <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com>wrote in message

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Not so! The license applies to both/either 32-bit and 64-bit (only one

installed at a time). The media is not provided by default.



Mick Murphy wrote:

I have a Acer laptop with an turion 64. 1 gig ddr2 533. I ran slow

running ultimate x86 and seems about the same with x64. But I have had

no real problems running x64 on it other then it takes a little longer

to get going from bootup. Its OK ofter that. My desktop x64 ultimate

install runs much much faster. As for other resons to go to x64.

Security! x64 is more secure and runs your hardware more efficiently.

After tommorow I will have my 3rd x64 capable machine. I will use x64

ultimate.





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Agreed, like I said in an earlier post its really for a specific segment of

the market that understands the

capabilities, advantages and disadvantages of using it, the biggest

advantage of all has to be the support for a larger memory address space

that allows you to do more number crunching with scientific, financial and

other engineering applications that use a lot of memory. Hopefully in the

future, more mainstream applications will support the platform and harness

its capabilities, but with the majority of systems coming with 1 to 2 GBs of

memory, and 64 bit really addressing larger amounts up to 128 GBs, you won't

see a lot of apps for now.

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"Sean" <spam@here.com>wrote in message



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"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

So that means if I came across the media for 64 bit Vista Home Premium, I

could install that instead of what it came with, and activate it with the

current key?

McG.





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In fact 4GB RAM is sufficient to show some benefit. But the real

motivation for me was to get prepared for the future, with little or no

downside at the moment, and no need for a later reinstall.



Sean wrote:

"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

Vista?

McG.







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"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com>wrote in message

Andre, as I understand MS demands for Vista drivers, they have to be both 32

and 64 bit ready. So the hardware should be fine. thing is, it's a

notebook. I'll see what Toshiba can do.

McG.





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Yes. As I have done.



McG. wrote:

[post re-arranged so I can read it :-( ]





"Sean" <spam@here.com>wrote in message

X2 4800+ with 4 gigs DDR400, 2 x 7800GTX cards in SLI under XP Pro x64.

The multithreading is great, and the 64 bit apps are a lot faster for things

like rendering.

For the laptop, it isn't a big deal. It isn't as fast as the desktop, but

it IS pretty darn fast, still. While it's still new and before I get all

settled in with installing programs and all, I thought I'd see what I could

do to get this one up to 64 bit os also. IF it isn't going to be too much

of a hassle. In another week, it will be too much hassle. I'm enjoying

this full size keyboard and 17" widescreen WXGA screen an awful lot :-)

McG.





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"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com>wrote in message

\>>>>>Have I missed anything?

larger 3D apps I use for modeling. So did going from 2 gigs to 4 gigs of

PC3200 dual channel. At a year and a half old, that Gigabyte K8N-SLI mobo

is getting a bit long in tooth. 4 gigs is all it can use. I see new

Gigabyte mobos for the Intel quadcore extremes that support as much as 16

gigs of DDR2-1066. Heck just that mobo, QX6700 and 16 gigs ram would really

improve my render times! :-D

McG.





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I'm thinking the same thing Richard. So if Toshiba can't supply 64 bit

recovery disks for this laptop model, I'll just settle in with Vista 32 bit

and enjoy it :) Now, my desktop might be in for a Vista Ultimate 64 bit

treatment! :-D Since XP Pro x64 loves the 4 gigs of ram and X2 4800+,

Vista Ultimate 64 should.

McG.



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"joel406" <joel406.2zae63@no-mx.forums.net>wrote in message



This laptop is a Turion 64 and has 2 gigs ddr2 667 mHz. If Toshiba can

sell me Vista x64 fairly reasonably, I'll get it. If not, I won't :)

McG.





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Yes - I have done it for a laptop with an OEM installed 32-bit Vista.



McG. wrote:

Well, Microsoft did say there is a 9% performance boost in 32 bit apps on

Windows 64-bit. :)

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"McG." <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com>wrote in message



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Meh... YMMV...a lot ;-)) I haven't run x86 on the desktop in so long. I

suppose I could wipe that partition or shrink it down to 10 gigs and give

all the space to x64 :)

McG.



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In message <eRXiL3zGIHA.4496@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>"Richard G. Harper"

<rgharper@email.com>wrote:



If by "turn a laptop into a brick" you mean "It's quite easy to

reinstall a 32-bit OS" then you're absolutely correct.



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I'd read that the instruction set was cleaned up by leaving out a lot of

legacy crap that x86 had to deal with in the early days.



My gut tells me that cpu intensive tasks like rar extraction feels faster,

but I've no empirical data or source.



rtk



"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com>wrote in message

Friend (if that you are), I watched an acquaintance turn a laptop into a

non-functional piece of hardware by installing Windows on it without proper

driver support. Some missing bit of power management let it overheat and

fried at least the CPU.



So I meant what I said. Laptops are finicky beasts and notorious for

problems not experienced with desktops under the best of circumstances. I

would not call this "the best of circumstances".



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"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net>wrote in message

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Hi,



Yes, but it would have to be OEM 64-bit media, the key you have will not

activate a retail installation. Simplest solution, as you have suggested

yourself, is to contact Toshiba about this, as they will need to also

provide supporting 64-bit drivers for the system. Without them, installing

Vista x64 will be an exercise in frustration as the system will not work

correctly.



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"McG." <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com>wrote in message

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No it doesn't. As far as I can tell there is no such thing as "OEM

64-bit media" produced by Microsoft. The key is the all-important

factor. Now there may be unique media packages provided from a

particular OEM with extra drivers and bloatware, but that's independent

of the requirements for activation.



Rick Rogers wrote:

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org>wrote in message

Thanks,

The drivers and critical system utils are of course a major concern to me in

this, as it is for a laptop. If it was a desktop, I wouldn't even have

asked. I build my own :) Yep, I'll call Toshiba and ask about 64 bit

Vista availability for this model.

McG.





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"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message



There IS OEM 64 bit media, for XP Pro 64 bit Edition. That's the only way

you can buy it. I've bought it both from MS Direct and local computer

shops. Dunno about Vista yet. In this area, I came a learning.

McG.





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Well I was only talking about Vista, since that was your question.



McG. wrote:

Just to avoid any further confusion: I was stating that, for Vista, the

64-bit OEM Upgrade, the 64-bit OEM Full, and the retail versions were

identical as far as the media is concerned. Only the keys are different.



McG. wrote:

"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

for $160 and giving up one of my XP Pro full retail or XP Pro OEM x64

licenses. As in, the Ultimate 64 bit Upgrade. I hope that offer still

holds.

Oh, and that would be for installing on my desktop, not the laptop. The

fact that it IS a laptop means the builder has to supply almost every driver

for it. Especially all motherboard related ones. So for this I'll see

Toshiba. :-)

McG.





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Even for the laptop, you need to see which support chips are there. For

example, if they're Intel, go to Intel's site for them rather than the

OEM's site. Intel tends to have good up-to-date drivers for all their

chipsets.



McG. wrote:

In message <#ZpEHt6GIHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>"Rick Rogers"

<rick@mvps.org>wrote:



huh?



There is no such thing as OEM media. Or retail media. Or full media.

Or upgrade media. The *only* difference is the printed label, beyond

that, it's all about the key you use.



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In message <#$#DTQ6GIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>"Richard G. Harper"

<rgharper@email.com>wrote:



Then you already had a defective laptop. Even 5+ year old machines had

temperature sensors and would shut down before damage occurred without

driver level interference.



It could just as easily have happened with the proper drivers and the

system running at full capacity.



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"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

Guess I could be more clear. If Toshiba doesn't have "Recovery Disks"

already set up for this model of laptop, I'm not going to fool around with

it any further. For a laptops needs and my own, it isn't worth the bother.

If Toshiba does have Recovery Disks for this model in 64 bit flavor, then

it's worth a few bucks and the time to use them and then reinstall my own

software. Simple. :)

McG.





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I think they removed stuff like Support for Macintosh, NTVDM, POSIX, OS/2

1.x and 16-bit Windows applications, which took a lot of the cruft out and

gave the Windows developers a chance to roam free and optimize the

performance more instead of focusing on compatibility.

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"rtk" <notta@chance.com>wrote in message



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