U.S. military div switching to Mac..............

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. well well, whaddayaknow...

http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/

Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
attack, Wallington says.

now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
OS.. which it definitely is NOT...

Windows Vista28

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:
> well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>
> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> attack, Wallington says.
>
> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
>
>
>

A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. On Feb 27, 2:06=A0pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> maya wrote:
> > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-...
>
> > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > macs M$ must be in trouble... =A0this is truly music to my ears....
> > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.=

that's exactly right... you never know...... :)

if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
(although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. this truly would be
grand, they really do deserve it....

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> maya wrote:
> > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-...
>
> > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.

that's exactly right... you never know...... :)

if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
(although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. this truly would be
grand, they really do deserve it....

-------------------

That's a lovely dream you got going on their.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. On Feb 27, 2:40=A0pm, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > maya wrote:
> > > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> > >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-..=
.
>
> > > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate=

> > > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > > macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> > > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> > A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happene=
d.
>
> that's exactly right... =A0you never know...... :)
>
> if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
> (although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
> less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
> switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. =A0this truly would be
> grand, they really do deserve it....
>
> -------------------
>
> That's a lovely dream you got going on their.

really?? their WHAT?? you might want to learn proper
spelling......;)

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do you
think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct result
country and world economy?
Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and millions
upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or patchable
etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to rip out a
truly massive amount of line of business and critical infrastructure. This
would have simply unfathomable impact to those business.
This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some Linux
distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT infrastructure for
pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
systems too.

So maybe you should climb off your soapbox and really think a little more
about this.

You should also note that "adding more Macs to the military's computer mix "
does not represent a wholesale switch away from Windows but is just adding
more other systems to the military mix. The year on year procurement of
additional PC and server devices is huge so adding in a few more Macs is no
big deal.
--

Mike Brannigan

"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>
> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> attack, Wallington says.
>
> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
>
>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> maya wrote:
> > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-...
>
> > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.

that's exactly right... you never know...... :)

if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
(although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. this truly would be
grand, they really do deserve it....

>

But will the Army deserve it too? If anything will bring Mac hackers into
view, this will.

Be careful what you wish for. It could come back to bite you on the butt..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

...nothing of any factual truth.
Loser.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ. He broke his teach on Vista
and now is demonstrating his anger and overall technology incompetence to
the whole world.

Vista shines! You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya. Your ancestors were not very smart
people to begin with. You must have inherited quite a bit of their
stupidity.

You are an IDIOT Mr. Maya. Wake up. People around here are all excited about
Vista. You are marching intellectually to a different tune: your own
requiem.

"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>
> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> attack, Wallington says.
>
> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
>
>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Precisely, AOL is down but MS is still around.

"Alias" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:%EMail@HideDomain.com...
> maya wrote:
>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>
>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>
>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>> attack, Wallington says.
>>
>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.
>
> Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya, an accomplished idiot. I am an ordinary user
and I do not have any problems with Vista.

I know who have problems: low achievers like you who make their living by
pretending being contrarian.

Maya su*cks!

Maya is an IDIOT.

"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> maya wrote:
> > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-...
>
> > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what happened.

that's exactly right... you never know...... :)

if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
(although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. this truly would be
grand, they really do deserve it....

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. On Feb 27, 3:39=A0pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.

nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"

;)

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.

Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
passes for an OS?????

otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
product????????

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. On Feb 27, 2:35=A0pm, "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:
> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do yo=
u
> think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct result=

> country and world economy?

you're right -- I was exaggerating... my comments about Windows
Vista being an incredibly poor thought-out, designed, and developed
product STANDS....

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. alexB wrote:
> Precisely, AOL is down but MS is still around.

With crap like Vista and Office 2007, not for long. They will probably
end up being an xBox maker and that's about it.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:%EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> maya wrote:
>>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>>
>>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>>
>>>
>>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>>> attack, Wallington says.
>>>
>>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what
>> happened.
>>
>> Alias
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Mike Brannigan wrote:
> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
> result country and world economy?
> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable
> or patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
> planet to rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and
> critical infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to
> those business.
> This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some
> Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
> infrastructure for pretty much every major company on the planet. Not
> to mention government systems too.
>
> So maybe you should climb off your soapbox and really think a little
> more about this.
>
> You should also note that "adding more Macs to the military's computer
> mix " does not represent a wholesale switch away from Windows but is
> just adding more other systems to the military mix. The year on year
> procurement of additional PC and server devices is huge so adding in a
> few more Macs is no big deal.

MS' demise won't happen quickly. They'll sell off each department as
they go and they will slowly die off while Linux and other alternatives
take over. I have XP and Ubuntu on the same machine. I practically never
go over to the XP install now but when I first installed Ubuntu, I did.
Transition, Mike, the times they are a-changing and all that jazz.

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <u$EMail@HideDomain.com>,
alexB <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>I am an ordinary user and I do not have any problems with Vista.
>

Maybe that's why. Microsoft's bread and butter is ordinary users
who never need to do anything that wasn't thought of in Redmond.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <EMail@HideDomain.com>,
Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>they will slowly die off while Linux and other alternatives take over.

Never happen. Especially not on the desktop.

They might never gain the traction in developing nations that they
did in America and they might continue to lose share in the datacenter
market. But die off? Ha,ha, if that's what you think I'll give you a good
price for your MSFT shares... :-)

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
maya;668036 Wrote:
> well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> 'US Army: We’re switching to Macs. VistaSucks.WordPress.Com'
> (http://tinyurl.com/2hnmsb)
>
> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> attack, Wallington says.
>
> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...

If MACS get to the user base of Windows then they will be full of swiss
cheese holes from hackers also.

--
Technologist
Posted via http://ms-os.com Forum to Usenet gateway

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Exactly right.

Those idiots never think of simple basics, as to what is going to happen to
the economy.

Their own standard of living depends to a large extent to the success of the
US economy and MS is a great part of it not to mention the world piece and
security.

MS is a jewel of US economy. We should be proud of it. Would you like to
have a company like MS located instead in Saudi Arabia or Mexico, or China?

Thos MS trolls are IDIOTS. They shi*t into the plate that feeds them, plain
and simple. They have no brains whatsoever.

A-Alias is a terrorist advocate. For him MS bashing has a goal but the rest
of those scumbags? What are they thinking about? Free software? It is a
joke! It is a BAD joke. It does not make any sense for the economy. It does
make no sense to anybody except for people who want to pretend that they are
capable to design a part of an OS. It may be a good training ground for some
so be it.

If a serious company decided to use Ubuntu and problems arise, where would
they go? To Mr. Al-Alias? Or this idiot-OP: Maya?

There must be some accountability for software. MS provide this security
platform, a continuity, a business model, continuous support, everything.

Mr. Maya, you are a fuk*king as*shole! You have nothing going for you. You
are a total idiot.

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
> result country and world economy?
> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and millions
> upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or patchable
> etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to rip out a
> truly massive amount of line of business and critical infrastructure.
> This would have simply unfathomable impact to those business.
> This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some Linux
> distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT infrastructure for
> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
> systems too.
>
> So maybe you should climb off your soapbox and really think a little more
> about this.
>
> You should also note that "adding more Macs to the military's computer mix
> " does not represent a wholesale switch away from Windows but is just
> adding more other systems to the military mix. The year on year
> procurement of additional PC and server devices is huge so adding in a
> few more Macs is no big deal.
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>
>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>
>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>> attack, Wallington says.
>>
>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. You are NAZI !

I have never seen a more IDIOT on usenet EVER!

"alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ. He broke his teach on Vista
> and now is demonstrating his anger and overall technology incompetence to
> the whole world.
>
> Vista shines! You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya. Your ancestors were not very
> smart people to begin with. You must have inherited quite a bit of their
> stupidity.
>
> You are an IDIOT Mr. Maya. Wake up. People around here are all excited
> about Vista. You are marching intellectually to a different tune: your own
> requiem.
>
> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>
>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>
>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>> attack, Wallington says.
>>
>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. I've seen this slander already before, quite a few times. You are very
narrow in your attempt to discredit Frank.

MS does not need to have hired hands to defend itself. You are an idiot Mr.
Indian. MS does not need Frank. Besides if the news of such a hire would
ever break out they will lose much more than they could gain because such
low life slithering scum like you would make a big news out of it on your
website.

You are a scum, Mr. Indian.

"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Frank wrote:
> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>
>
> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
> passes for an OS?????
>
> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
> product????????
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Yep, wharf rat, buy everything he owns. He is about to go short. Perhaps
this is his true motivation. He may also be one of the trial lawyers looking
for a chance to file a $M dollar lawsuit against any business in spotlight.

"the wharf rat" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:fq4jap$o94$EMail@HideDomain.com...
> In article <EMail@HideDomain.com>,
> Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>
>>they will slowly die off while Linux and other alternatives take over.
>
> Never happen. Especially not on the desktop.
>
> They might never gain the traction in developing nations that they
> did in America and they might continue to lose share in the datacenter
> market. But die off? Ha,ha, if that's what you think I'll give you a
> good
> price for your MSFT shares... :-)
>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. And what do you, wharf rat, expect from a computer? What so special do you
want to do that I possibly never thought of doing?

I am just curious. I want to take you to carpet. Come out, explain. Stop
being nebulous. Be specific! It is a fuc*king real world.

"the wharf rat" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:fq4j4q$ep$EMail@HideDomain.com...
> In article <u$EMail@HideDomain.com>,
> alexB <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>
>>I am an ordinary user and I do not have any problems with Vista.
>>
>
> Maybe that's why. Microsoft's bread and butter is ordinary users
> who never need to do anything that wasn't thought of in Redmond.
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. FU*CK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

I am much less of a Nazi than all of you combined!

"Vern Linard" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:47c5d15c$EMail@HideDomain.com...
> You are NAZI !
>
> I have never seen a more IDIOT on usenet EVER!
>
> "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ. He broke his teach on Vista
>> and now is demonstrating his anger and overall technology incompetence to
>> the whole world.
>>
>> Vista shines! You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya. Your ancestors were not very
>> smart people to begin with. You must have inherited quite a bit of their
>> stupidity.
>>
>> You are an IDIOT Mr. Maya. Wake up. People around here are all excited
>> about Vista. You are marching intellectually to a different tune: your
>> own requiem.
>>
>> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>>
>>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>>
>>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>>> attack, Wallington says.
>>>
>>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

| well well, whaddayaknow...
|
| http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
|
| Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
| information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
| Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
| That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
| computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
| it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
| attack, Wallington says.
|
| now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
| macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
| and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
| otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
| released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
| OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
|

Note that the US Army has mandated that Vista replace Windows XP. I'm not stating when.

However, The Army is SUGGESTING the move to MACs because MACs are less of a target of
hackers and hacktevism.

The MAC computers will be made available through the Army Small Computer Program (PM-ASCP) - https://ascp.monmouth.army.mil/
a subordinate of the Program Executive Office, Enterprise Information Systems (PEO-EIS) - http://www.eis.army.mil/.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "Mike Hall - MVP" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

< snip >

|
| But will the Army deserve it too? If anything will bring Mac hackers into
| view, this will.
|
| Be careful what you wish for. It could come back to bite you on the butt..
|

Yes !

Remember what the latest MAC computer OS' is based on.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost>

< snip >

|
| You should also note that "adding more Macs to the military's computer mix "
| does not represent a wholesale switch away from Windows but is just adding
| more other systems to the military mix. The year on year procurement of
| additional PC and server devices is huge so adding in a few more Macs is no
| big deal.

The Army has "mandated" a switch to Vista and Office 2007.
There is NO mandate on MAC computers.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "Technologist" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

|
| If MACS get to the user base of Windows then they will be full of swisscheese holes from
| hackers also.

That's correct !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

| On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
|
| nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
| found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
|
| ;)

Maya:

Your post was on-spot (albeit, exaggerated).
AlexB is "trolling".

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
On Feb 27, 2:40 pm, "Mr. Arnold" <MR. EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > maya wrote:
> > > well well, whaddayaknow...
>
> > >http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-...
>
> > > Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
> > > information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
> > > Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
> > > That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
> > > computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
> > > it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
> > > attack, Wallington says.
>
> > > now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
> > > macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
> > > and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
> > > otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
> > > released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
> > > OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>
> > A lot of people used to think AOL was here to stay and look what
> > happened.
>
> that's exactly right... you never know...... :)
>
> if enough businesses start having serious problems with Vista
> (although a lot of them pay for tech-support, so they may have a bit
> less to deal with than ordinary folks..) maybe enough of them will
> switch... enough to put M$ out of business.. this truly would be
> grand, they really do deserve it....
>
> -------------------
>
> That's a lovely dream you got going on their.

really?? their WHAT?? you might want to learn proper
spelling......;)

---------------------------------------------------------------

What are you talking about home user? Do you hulisinate like this all of the
time about evil MS? <g>

You got a dream that's not going to happen in your lifetime. You'll be dust
in your grave when and if it happens that MS falls. You might want to stop
daydreaming on something you have absolutely no control over it and daydream
on something you might have control over in your otherwise worthless life on
thins Earth.
.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> On Feb 27, 3:39Â pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>
> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>
> ;)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22

Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?

Cheers.

PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not reply.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>
>
> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
> passes for an OS?????
>
> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
> product????????

It came on his mommy's computer, so that's the only OS he "knows about".

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. alexB wrote:

> I've seen this slander already before, quite a few times. You are very
> narrow in your attempt to discredit Frank.
>
No one needs to discredit Frank. He does a good enough job doing that all on
his own.

> MS does not need to have hired hands to defend itself.

Then why has it resorted to doing this so often? Like free software to
bloggers prepared to support Microsoft?

> You are an idiot
> Mr. Indian. MS does not need Frank.

Correct. Nobody needs Frank. Even Frank doesn't need Frank.

> Besides if the news of such a hire
> would ever break out they will lose much more than they could gain because
> such low life slithering scum like you would make a big news out of it on
> your website.
>
Microsoft has done some pretty stupid things over the years. Hiring Frank to
do anything but flip burgers would be the craziest thing *any* corporation
could do.

> You are a scum, Mr. Indian.
>
Mr. Nazi speaking? Mr. Racist?

Cheers.

> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> Frank wrote:
>> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>>
>>
>> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
>> passes for an OS?????
>>
>> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
>> product????????
>>

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Mike Brannigan wrote:

> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
> result country and world economy?
> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and millions
> upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or patchable
> etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to rip out a
> truly massive amount of line of business and critical infrastructure.
> This would have simply unfathomable impact to those business.
> This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some Linux
> distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT infrastructure for
> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
> systems too.
>
It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching their
infrastructure away from Microsoft. It's starting at the city level, state
level and in some cases now, the national level. The more our elected
politicians wake up and smell the coffee and start becoming responsible for
maintaining secure systems and saving taxpayer money, the more and faster
the switch to Open Source will go.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Alias wrote:

> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>
>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what
>> do you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>> direct result country and world economy?
>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable
>> or patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>> planet to rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and
>> critical infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact
>> to those business.
>> This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some
>> Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>> infrastructure for pretty much every major company on the planet. Not
>> to mention government systems too.
>>
>> So maybe you should climb off your soapbox and really think a little
>> more about this.
>>
>> You should also note that "adding more Macs to the military's computer
>> mix " does not represent a wholesale switch away from Windows but is
>> just adding more other systems to the military mix. The year on year
>> procurement of additional PC and server devices is huge so adding in
>> a few more Macs is no big deal.
>
>
> MS' demise won't happen quickly. They'll sell off each department as
> they go and they will slowly die off while Linux and other alternatives
> take over.

hehehe...don't give up that day job scamming little old ladies cause you
won't earn a dime in the marketing/predicting field.

I have XP and Ubuntu on the same machine. I practically never
> go over to the XP install now but when I first installed Ubuntu, I did.
> Transition, Mike, the times they are a-changing and all that jazz.

MS is changing with the times. You're stick with the SOS that's been
around now for decades.
You're sick in the head and stupid to boot!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>
>
>>You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
>>you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
>>result country and world economy?
>>Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and millions
>>upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or patchable
>>etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to rip out a
>>truly massive amount of line of business and critical infrastructure.
>>This would have simply unfathomable impact to those business.
>>This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some Linux
>>distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT infrastructure for
>>pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
>>systems too.
>>
>
> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching their
> infrastructure away from Microsoft.

Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!

It's starting at the city level, state
> level and in some cases now, the national level.

Sorry pal but you're just dreaming.

The more our elected
> politicians wake up and smell the coffee and start becoming responsible for
> maintaining secure systems and saving taxpayer money, the more and faster
> the switch to Open Source will go.

hehehe...the dream ain't happening!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>
>
> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
> passes for an OS?????

No near as much as apel must be paying you!
>
> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
> product????????

Unlike you, I actually use Vista. It is the very best OS available today.
Frank
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

...his same old sorry worthless MS hating crap.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

...nostop, aka doris is a worthless lying linux troll.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>>I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr. Maya
>>who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>
>
> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"

You mean like you suck...LOL!
Frank
>
> ;)
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. That's why he is here: to generate hits to his site.

"NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> maya wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>> Maya
>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>
>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>
>> ;)
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>
> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>
> Cheers.
>
> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
> reply.
>
> --
> Vista will make you speechless!
> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:
>
>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
>>>you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
>>>result country and world economy?
>>>Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or
>>>patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to
>>>rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>business. This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to
>>>some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>infrastructure for
>>>pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
>>>systems too.
>>>
>>
>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching their
>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>
> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>
Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But, maybe others
that know how to read, will?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government

Cheers.

> It's starting at the city level, state
>> level and in some cases now, the national level.
>
> Sorry pal but you're just dreaming.
>
> The more our elected
>> politicians wake up and smell the coffee and start becoming responsible
>> for maintaining secure systems and saving taxpayer money, the more and
>> faster the switch to Open Source will go.
>
> hehehe...the dream ain't happening!
> Frank

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:
>
>
> ...his same old sorry worthless MS hating crap.
> Frank

Afraid to quote me Frankie Boy? I was talking about YOU, not MS.

Cheers ... LOL!

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Frank wrote:
> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>
>
> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
> passes for an OS?????
>
> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
> product????????
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. You, scummy Indian insulted MS with this thoughtless, idiotic statement. In
Jan 2008 Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated together $30M for LSST
(Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) a 465M project for the next generation of
Universe exploration hardware.

How much have you contributed to anything? I mean except hatred and sh*it
you deposit into your lavaratory?

It is not the first contribution Bill Gates have made to charities of
various persuasions. You fuc*king lefties have thrashed millions out of him
and Melinda for your idiotic undertakings. Truly, the more he gives, the
more hatred he inspires.

Google on the other hand contributed nothing to the project. I's been
announced that it "joined" the project. What a pathetic contrast!

Jan 2008: LSST Receives $30M from Charles Simonyi and Bill Gates
Jan 2008: LSST at the 2008 AAS meeting
Nov 2007: M1/M3 Mirror Construction Pictures
July 2007: LSST Receives $3 Million from Keck and TABASGO Foundations
Jan 2007: Google joins Large Synoptic Survey Telescope Project
Sept 2005: LSST receives $14.2 Million National Science Foundation Design
and Development Award Help build the "New Sky" .

The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope (LSST) is a proposed ground-based
8.4-meter, 10 square-degree-field telescope that will provide digital
imaging of faint astronomical objects across the entire sky, night

"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Frank wrote:
> nothing of any interest. Move along as there is nothing here to see.
>
>
> Frank, how much is M$ paying to advocate this piece of crap that
> passes for an OS?????
>
> otherwise, what IS your motivation for defending such a incredibly bad
> product????????
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>
>>NoStop wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
>>>>you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
>>>>result country and world economy?
>>>>Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or
>>>>patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the planet to
>>>>rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>business. This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to
>>>>some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>infrastructure for
>>>>pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
>>>>systems too.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching their
>>>infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>
>>Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>
>
> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But, maybe others
> that know how to read, will?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>

wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted this
yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid and you
think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>
>>NoStop wrote:
>>
>>
>>...his same old sorry worthless MS hating crap.
>>Frank
>
>
> Afraid to quote me Frankie Boy?

Afraid of an old sicko like you? LOL!

I was talking about YOU, not MS.

You are the king of the village idiots! What a complete and totally
worthless POS you are. A real scumbag lying linux troll.
Get some of your discounted mental medical help loser.
Frank
>
> yeah Cheers you idiot... LOL!
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> NoStop wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true -
>>>>> what do
>>>>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>>>>> direct
>>>>> result country and world economy?
>>>>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer
>>>>> supportable or
>>>>> patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>>>>> planet to
>>>>> rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>> infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>> business. This is not like some geek home user switching from
>>>>> Windows to
>>>>> some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>> infrastructure for
>>>>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention
>>>>> government
>>>>> systems too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching
>>>> their
>>>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>>
>>
>> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But, maybe
>> others
>> that know how to read, will?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>>
>
> wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted this
> yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid and you
> think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
> Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
> butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
> What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
> Frank

Frank thinks that name calling and insults prove his argument. No reason
to try and reason with a person like Frank who believes the moon is made
out of green cheese.

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> NoStop wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true -
>>>>>> what do
>>>>>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>> result country and world economy?
>>>>>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer
>>>>>> supportable or
>>>>>> patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>>>>>> planet to
>>>>>> rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>>> infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>>> business. This is not like some geek home user switching from
>>>>>> Windows to
>>>>>> some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>>> infrastructure for
>>>>>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> systems too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching
>>>>> their
>>>>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But, maybe
>>> others
>>> that know how to read, will?
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>>>
>>
>> wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted
>> this yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid and
>> you think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
>> Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
>> butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
>> What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
>> Frank
>
>
> Frank thinks that name calling and insults prove his argument. No reason
> to try and reason with a person like Frank who believes the moon is made
> out of green cheese.
>
> Alias

hehehe...whats wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your
panties all in a bunch?
Call nostop (nonstop)...hehehe...he will help you...LOL!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>>>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true -
>>>>>>> what do
>>>>>>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>> result country and world economy?
>>>>>>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>>>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer
>>>>>>> supportable or
>>>>>>> patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>>>>>>> planet to
>>>>>>> rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>>>> infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>>>> business. This is not like some geek home user switching from
>>>>>>> Windows to
>>>>>>> some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>>>> infrastructure for
>>>>>>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> systems too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But,
>>>> maybe others
>>>> that know how to read, will?
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>>>>
>>>
>>> wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted
>>> this yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid
>>> and you think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
>>> Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
>>> butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
>>> What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> Frank thinks that name calling and insults prove his argument. No
>> reason to try and reason with a person like Frank who believes the
>> moon is made out of green cheese.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> hehehe...whats wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your
> panties all in a bunch?
> Call nostop (nonstop)...hehehe...he will help you...LOL!
> Frank

I don't know where you get the idea that something is wrong. Your posts
don't affect me one iota. It's fun to watch you make a complete fool out
of yourself. What's even more amusing is don't realize it and think
you're the coolest thing since Happy Meals were invented.

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>>>>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true -
>>>>>>>> what do
>>>>>>>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>> result country and world economy?
>>>>>>>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>>>>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer
>>>>>>>> supportable or
>>>>>>>> patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>>>>>>>> planet to
>>>>>>>> rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>>>>> infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>>>>> business. This is not like some geek home user switching from
>>>>>>>> Windows to
>>>>>>>> some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>>>>> infrastructure for
>>>>>>>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention
>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>> systems too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are
>>>>>>> switching their
>>>>>>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But,
>>>>> maybe others
>>>>> that know how to read, will?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted
>>>> this yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid
>>>> and you think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
>>>> Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
>>>> butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
>>>> What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank thinks that name calling and insults prove his argument. No
>>> reason to try and reason with a person like Frank who believes the
>>> moon is made out of green cheese.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> hehehe...whats wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got
>> your panties all in a bunch?
>> Call nostop (nonstop)...hehehe...he will help you...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>
> I don't know where you get the idea that something is wrong. Your posts
> don't affect me one iota. It's fun to watch you make a complete fool out
> of yourself. What's even more amusing is don't realize it and think
> you're the coolest thing since Happy Meals were invented.
>
> Alias

Then why are you here and why are you responding? Are you that dumb and
desperate?
Wait...don't answer...we all already know the answer to that question.
You can't help yourself can you? You're mine and this ng's little
Pavlovian puppy dog...LOL!
Oh and you're a real POS lying linux troll...hahaha!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> maya wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>> Maya
>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>
>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>
>> ;)
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>
> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>
> Cheers.
>
> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
> reply.
>
> --
> Vista will make you speechless!
> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>

5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".

YOU LOOSE.....

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Darkelldar wrote:
>
> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>> Maya
>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>
>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>
>>> ;)
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>
>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>> reply.
>>
>> --
>> Vista will make you speechless!
>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>
>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>
>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>
>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>
>
> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>
> YOU LOOSE.....

As opposed to "YOU TIGHT"?

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Darkelldar wrote:

>
> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>> Maya
>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>
>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>
>>> ;)
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>
>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>> reply.
>>
>> --
>> Vista will make you speechless!
>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>
>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>
>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>
>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>
>
> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>
> YOU LOOSE.....

Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. AlexB wrote:

> You, scummy Indian insulted MS with this thoughtless, idiotic statement.
> In Jan 2008 Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated together $30M for LSST
> (Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) a 465M project for the next generation
> of Universe exploration hardware.
>
Bill Gate$ personal networth increases that much PER DAY you doofus. He
didn't donate squat. YOU and every other Windoze user donated the money.
Are you that bloody dumb?

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>>>>>>>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true -
>>>>>>>> what do
>>>>>>>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a
>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>> result country and world economy?
>>>>>>>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and
>>>>>>>> millions upon millions of servers world wide are no longer
>>>>>>>> supportable or
>>>>>>>> patchable etc etc then you force every major corporation on the
>>>>>>>> planet to
>>>>>>>> rip out a truly massive amount of line of business and critical
>>>>>>>> infrastructure. This would have simply unfathomable impact to those
>>>>>>>> business. This is not like some geek home user switching from
>>>>>>>> Windows to
>>>>>>>> some Linux distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT
>>>>>>>> infrastructure for
>>>>>>>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention
>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>> systems too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> infrastructure away from Microsoft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanna bet! Ain't happening. The ones that did are back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read it and weep you dimwit. Oh, I forgot, you don't read. But,
>>>>> maybe others
>>>>> that know how to read, will?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption#Government
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wikipedia? hahahaha...you've got to be kidding me right? You posted
>>>> this yourself right? Hahahah...are you really that dumb and stupid
>>>> and you think the rest of us are as dumb and stupid as you are?
>>>> Hahaha...of all the losers I've every come across you and your
>>>> butt-buddy alias take the cake...LOL!
>>>> What a pair of demented sickos you two make!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank thinks that name calling and insults prove his argument. No
>>> reason to try and reason with a person like Frank who believes the
>>> moon is made out of green cheese.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> hehehe...whats wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your
>> panties all in a bunch?
>> Call nostop (nonstop)...hehehe...he will help you...LOL!
>> Frank
>
> I don't know where you get the idea that something is wrong. Your posts
> don't affect me one iota. It's fun to watch you make a complete fool out
> of yourself. What's even more amusing is don't realize it and think
> you're the coolest thing since Happy Meals were invented.
>
> Alias

Don't mention Happy Meals!!! Frank will go into his "marketing" mode then.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. OH no you don't.. YOU ARE A NAZI

and I will prove it using the same CRAP you have posted in this newsgroup!

IDIOT! Who do you think you are?

"alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:#EMail@HideDomain.com...
> FU*CK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
>
> I am much less of a Nazi than all of you combined!
>
> "Vern Linard" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:47c5d15c$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> You are NAZI !
>>
>> I have never seen a more IDIOT on usenet EVER!
>>
>> "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>> Maya who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ. He broke his teach on
>>> Vista and now is demonstrating his anger and overall technology
>>> incompetence to the whole world.
>>>
>>> Vista shines! You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya. Your ancestors were not very
>>> smart people to begin with. You must have inherited quite a bit of their
>>> stupidity.
>>>
>>> You are an IDIOT Mr. Maya. Wake up. People around here are all excited
>>> about Vista. You are marching intellectually to a different tune: your
>>> own requiem.
>>>
>>> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>>> well well, whaddayaknow...
>>>>
>>>> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/us-army-were-switching-to-macs/
>>>>
>>>> Wallington, a division chief in the Army's office of enterprise
>>>> information systems, says the military is quietly working to integrate
>>>> Macintosh computers into its systems to make them harder to hack.
>>>> That's because fewer attacks have been designed to infiltrate Mac
>>>> computers, and adding more Macs to the military's computer mix makes
>>>> it tougher to destabilize a group of military computers with a single
>>>> attack, Wallington says.
>>>>
>>>> now you KNOW that if the U.S. military is considering switching to
>>>> macs M$ must be in trouble... this is truly music to my ears....
>>>> and I hope one day they get into SERIOUS trouble, financial and
>>>> otherwise (legal, for example), for the piece of crap they have
>>>> released to the world and made pass for a professionally-developed
>>>> OS.. which it definitely is NOT...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Darkelldar wrote:
>
>>
>> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>>> Maya
>>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>>
>>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>>
>>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vista will make you speechless!
>>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>>
>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>>
>>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>>
>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>>
>>
>> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>>
>> YOU LOOSE.....
>
> Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> Vista will make you speechless!
> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>

Try again.

http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enCA252CA253&q=windows+Vista+is+great

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

>
>
> Don't mention Happy Meals!!! Frank will go into his "marketing" mode then.
>
> Cheers.
>

hehehe...are you learning to make "happy meals" at your new job at
burger-doodle?
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

> AlexB wrote:
>
>
>>You, scummy Indian insulted MS with this thoughtless, idiotic statement.
>>In Jan 2008 Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated together $30M for LSST
>>(Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) a 465M project for the next generation
>>of Universe exploration hardware.
>>
>
> Bill Gate$ personal networth increases that much PER DAY you doofus.

Maybe.

He
> didn't donate squat.

Oh, now you're jealous aren't you. You actually really and truly hate
this person don't you?
You're sick and proly a wacko crazy person.

YOU and every other Windoze user donated the money.

Donate? I haven't "donated" one penny to MS. You're mentally deranged
aren't you?

> Are you that bloody dumb?

Fukk no but obviously you are!
OMG...are you for real? What mental institution are you in or have
escaped from?
Are all of you linux as*hole as crazy as you and your butt-buddy alias
seem to be?
Get some real help and I mean it!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

...you and your butt-buddy alias must really like having your stupid
lying linux arses b*tch slapped and booted all over this ng cause it
certainly happens to the two of you on a daily basis.
Does using urbuttoo make you this whacked out in the brain or is being
whacked out in the brain a requirement for using urbuttoo?...LOL!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Darkelldar wrote:

>
> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> Darkelldar wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>>>> Maya
>>>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>>>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>>>
>>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>>>
>>>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>>>> reply.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Vista will make you speechless!
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>>>
>>>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>>>
>>>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>>>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>>>
>>>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>>>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>>>
>>>
>>> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>>>
>>> YOU LOOSE.....
>>
>> Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> --
>> Vista will make you speechless!
>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>
>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>
>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>
>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>
>
> Try again.
>
>
http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enCA252CA253&q=windows+Vista+is+great

You really should learn how to do a proper search on google you doofus.
Place that search string in quotes for the real results. The way you've got
it, it's found EVERY reference to "windows" or "vista" or "great". Gawd,
does your mommy really let YOU play on her computer?

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Don't mention Happy Meals!!! Frank will go into his "marketing" mode
>> then.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>
> hehehe...are you learning to make "happy meals" at your new job at
> burger-doodle?
> Frank

Don't change the subject son. We're talking about YOUR career.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:

> NoStop wrote:
>
>> AlexB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You, scummy Indian insulted MS with this thoughtless, idiotic statement.
>>>In Jan 2008 Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated together $30M for LSST
>>>(Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) a 465M project for the next generation
>>>of Universe exploration hardware.
>>>
>>
>> Bill Gate$ personal networth increases that much PER DAY you doofus.
>
> Maybe.
>
> He
>> didn't donate squat.
>
> Oh, now you're jealous aren't you. You actually really and truly hate
> this person don't you?
> You're sick and proly a wacko crazy person.
>
> YOU and every other Windoze user donated the money.
>
> Donate? I haven't "donated" one penny to MS. You're mentally deranged
> aren't you?
>
>> Are you that bloody dumb?
>
> Fukk no but obviously you are!
> OMG...are you for real? What mental institution are you in or have
> escaped from?
> Are all of you linux as*hole as crazy as you and your butt-buddy alias
> seem to be?
> Get some real help and I mean it!
> Frank

I'm not even going to try to explain this all to you son. It's obviously way
over your head. Now put your football helmet back on, jump on your bike and
go "drive" on the freeway.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <uCXgB#EMail@HideDomain.com>,
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>
>The Army has "mandated" a switch to Vista and Office 2007.

Got a reference for that? First I've heard of it.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>
>>NoStop wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Don't mention Happy Meals!!! Frank will go into his "marketing" mode
>>>then.
>>>
>>>Cheers.
>>>
>>
>>hehehe...are you learning to make "happy meals" at your new job at
>>burger-doodle?
>>Frank
>
>
> Don't change the subject son. We're talking about YOUR career.
>
> Cheers.
>
Sorry "son", but you're the one who was so happy with your new job at
burger-doodle!
What's wrong? Honeymoon over...LOL!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

> Darkelldar wrote:
>
>
>>"NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>>news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>
>>>Darkelldar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>>>
>>>>>maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>>>>>Maya
>>>>>>>who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>>>>>found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;)
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>>PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>>>>>reply.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Vista will make you speechless!
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>>>>
>>>>>Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>>>>
>>>>>Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>>>>>A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>>>>
>>>>>Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>>>>>http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>>>>
>>>>YOU LOOSE.....
>>>
>>>Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.
>>>
>>>Cheers.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Vista will make you speechless!
>>>http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>>
>>>Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>>
>>>Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>>>A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>>
>>>Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>>>http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm
>>>
>>
>>Try again.
>>
>>
>
> http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enCA252CA253&q=windows+Vista+is+great
>
> You really should learn how to do a proper search on google you doofus.
> Place that search string in quotes for the real results. The way you've got
> it, it's found EVERY reference to "windows" or "vista" or "great". Gawd,
> does your mommy really let YOU play on her computer?
>
> Cheers.
>
You are drunk aren't you...hahaha!
Idiot! Sober up loser.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:

...once again trying to sell football helmets (like the one he wears)
and mental health care (like he gets).
Take your meds doris...LOL!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "the wharf rat" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

| In article <uCXgB#EMail@HideDomain.com>,
| David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>
>> The Army has "mandated" a switch to Vista and Office 2007.
|
| Got a reference for that? First I've heard of it.

Not that I can provide you -- Sorry !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. "Darkelldar" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in
news:EMail@HideDomain.com:

>>>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By
>>>>>> Mr. Maya
>>>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog..
>>>>> I found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>>>
>>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>>>
>>>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>>>
>>> YOU LOOSE.....
>>
>> Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.
>>
>
> Try again.
>
> http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADB
> R_enCA252CA253&q=windows+Vista+is+great
>

You are searching for article's that have the words Windows, Vista, and
Great. Using non-phrase searching on these nearly equal results...

xp is better than vista = 727,000
vista is better than xp = 722,000

Try to search on a phrase

"vista is great".....18,300 hits.
"vista sucks'......201,000

vista is awesome = 712,000
"vista is awesome" = 32,000

Or even searching GG....

thank you alexb = 2000
"thank you alexb" = 3 .....or,

alexb helps people = 359
"alexb helps people" = 0

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in
news:OGcs#EMail@HideDomain.com:

> I've seen this slander already before, quite a few times. You are very
> narrow in your attempt to discredit Frank.

You know it's funny, Frank is your god, but I'm pretty sure he thinks
you're a flake just as mush as everyone else does.

He just hasn't said it yet.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in
news:u$EMail@HideDomain.com:

> You are an IDIOT, Mr. Maya, an accomplished idiot. I am an ordinary
> user and I do not have any problems with Vista.

Then you speak an unthruth !!!!!!

You have said before how you've had to reinstall Vista almost monthly. You
can't deny it. It's archived for the world to see.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <#EMail@HideDomain.com>,
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>
>Not that I can provide you -- Sorry !
>

Why not?

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:
> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>
>> You really haven't thought through your little rant have you?
>> If you nightmare of Microsoft going out of business came true - what do
>> you think would happen to the businesses on this planet and as a direct
>> result country and world economy?
>> Well if you immediate remove Microsoft so that the 95% of PCs and millions
>> upon millions of servers world wide are no longer supportable or patchable
>> etc etc

well, of course my idea was the M$ would go under AFTER the whole world
has ditched their pc's... (of course this is a pipe-dream.. a little
hyperbole to make a point is called for every once in a while for
certain situations, esp surreal ones like this one....;)

then you force every major corporation on the planet to rip out a
>> truly massive amount of line of business and critical infrastructure.
>> This would have simply unfathomable impact to those business.
>> This is not like some geek home user switching from Windows to some Linux
>> distro - this would be wholesale destruction of the IT infrastructure for
>> pretty much every major company on the planet. Not to mention government
>> systems too.
>>
> It's already happening ... one government at a time, are switching their
> infrastructure away from Microsoft. It's starting at the city level, state
> level and in some cases now, the national level. The more our elected
> politicians wake up and smell the coffee and start becoming responsible for
> maintaining secure systems and saving taxpayer money, the more and faster
> the switch to Open Source will go.

this makes sense.. I mean think of all the folks who are responsible for
maintaining systems.. all of a sudden they are realizing they are
spending too much time dealing w/M$-related problems and that a switch
to mac might pay off in the long run, despite the cost of switching.. I
really really really hope this happens... and M$ would deserve it BIG
TIME...

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>> Maya
>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>
>>
>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>
> You mean like you suck...LOL!
> Frank
>>
>> ;)
>>

Frank, I swear, you're so CHILDISH, this is schoolyard stuff... grow
up, smell the coffee, and get a life.....

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. AlexB wrote:
> That's why he is here: to generate hits to his site.
>
> "NoStop" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By Mr.
>>>> Maya
>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>
>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog.. I
>>> found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>
>>> ;)
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>
>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> PS. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot and his sidekick, alexB need not
>> reply.
>>
>> --
>> Vista will make you speechless!
>> http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x
>>
>> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>>
>> Q: What OS is built for lusers?
>> A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?
>>
>> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
>> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

PRICELESS...:)

thanks for that one, am still laughing......:)

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. AlexB wrote:
> You, scummy Indian insulted MS with this thoughtless, idiotic statement.
> In Jan 2008 Bill Gates and Charles Simonyi donated together $30M for
> LSST (Large Synoptic Survey Telescope) a 465M project for the next
> generation of Universe exploration hardware.

hey, I'm a space-buff, he's donating for space-exploration?? hey,
great... however, Vista is still a terrible product...

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

...nothing of any importance. He's a mac troll.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. DanS wrote:

> "Darkelldar" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com:
>
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 3:39 pm, "alexB" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I presume Vistasucks site is owned and operated by guess who? By
>>>>>>> Mr. Maya
>>>>>>> who is coming here to demonstrate his low IQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nope, wrong.... I have absolutely nothing to do with this blog..
>>>>>> I found it just today, by searching for "vista sucks"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22vista%20sucks%22
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, 199,000 hits! :-) I wonder ... does Vista really suck?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> 5,820,000 hits on Google for "Windows Vista is Great".
>>>>
>>>> YOU LOOSE.....
>>>
>>> Nope, that comes up with 79,800 hits. You lose.
>>>
>>
>> Try again.
>>
>> http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADB
>> R_enCA252CA253&q=windows+Vista+is+great
>>
>
> You are searching for article's that have the words Windows, Vista, and
> Great. Using non-phrase searching on these nearly equal results...
>
> xp is better than vista = 727,000
> vista is better than xp = 722,000
>
> Try to search on a phrase
>
> "vista is great".....18,300 hits.
> "vista sucks'......201,000
>
> vista is awesome = 712,000
> "vista is awesome" = 32,000
>
> Or even searching GG....
>
> thank you alexb = 2000
> "thank you alexb" = 3 .....or,
>
> alexb helps people = 359
> "alexb helps people" = 0

Now that you've taught him how to use Google, send him a bill.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>
>
> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
> Frank

I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here takes
you seriously anymore????

you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for so
vigorously defending such a terrible product...

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>
>
> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
> Frank

Um, he's using Windows to post. Oops. Ever figure out my "addy"? LOL,
what a putz!

Alias

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <eR$EMail@HideDomain.com>,
alexB <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>And what do you, wharf rat, expect from a computer?

Lol, isn't that like asking me what I expect from a woman? You're
leaving out some context, don't you think?

And you're still making the Microsoft-ish error of confusing the
computer with the operating system. The question you're *really* asking
is "What do I expect of an operating system?" and the answer is that
I expect it to manage access to physical devices, multiplex I/O to the
CPU, and be as unobstrusive as possible. Simplex sigillum veri, right?

>What so special do you want to do that I possibly never thought of doing?

Useful work, I'd say.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <#EMail@HideDomain.com>,
alexB <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>If a serious company decided to use Ubuntu and problems arise, where would
>they go? To Mr. Al-Alias? Or this idiot-OP: Maya?
>

They'd use the source, Luke. Or a paid support contract as with
any other software.

Great Ghu, but you're dumb.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>> Frank
>
>
> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here takes
> you seriously anymore????

Everyone is asking that question about you?

>
> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for so
> vigorously defending such a terrible product...

We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
any financial barriers.
I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
Which version?
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>> Frank
>
>
> Um, he's using Windows to post. Oops. Ever figure out my "addy"? LOL,
> what a putz!
>
> Alias

Coward!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>> takes you seriously anymore????
>
> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>
>>
>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for
>> so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>
> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
> very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
> any financial barriers.
> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
> Which version?
> Frank

ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to some
who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)

I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:

I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
heard of such a thing...)

now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...

NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??

thank you..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>> takes you seriously anymore????
>
> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>
>>
>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for
>> so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>
> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
> very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
> any financial barriers.
> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
> Which version?
> Frank

oh -- I forgot -- am on Ultimate.........

thanks..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>
>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>
>>>
>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for
>>> so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>
>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
>> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
>> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
>> very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
>> any financial barriers.
>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>> Which version?
>> Frank
>
> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to some
> who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>
> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>
> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
> heard of such a thing...)
>
> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>
> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>
> thank you..

Frank doesn't worry about data on his Vista computer. All he uses it for is
to play Minesweeper. He already knows that his is always the highest score,
as no one else plays Minesweeper on his mom's computer but him. No need to
save data.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
http://tinyurl.com/38zv7x

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. NoStop wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>
>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for
>>>> so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
>>> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
>>> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
>>> very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
>>> any financial barriers.
>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>>> Which version?
>>> Frank
>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to some
>> who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>
>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>
>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
>> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
>> heard of such a thing...)
>>
>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
>> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
>> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
>> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
>> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>
>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>
>> thank you..
>
> Frank doesn't worry about data on his Vista computer. All he uses it for is
> to play Minesweeper. He already knows that his is always the highest score,
> as no one else plays Minesweeper on his mom's computer but him. No need to
> save data.
>
> Cheers.
>

guys, let's be fair.. Frank asked me directly what my problem with
Vista was, I responded.. no sense in overdoing it with the insults here...

(btw, I have posted here what my main problem is with Vista about three
times now, I have yet to receive a response/possible solution form anyone..)

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>
>>
>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>
>>>
>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation for
>>> so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>
>>
>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
>> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
>> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the
>> very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
>> any financial barriers.
>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at all.
>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>> Which version?
>> Frank
>
>
> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to some
> who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>
> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>
> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)

Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.

> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
> heard of such a thing...)

Typical answer form these places.
>
> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>
> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??

Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all over the
tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware and Vista ready
drivers.
Frank

Oh, as an aside, I have two computers using Hauppauge HD cards,
WinTV-HVR-1600 which currently runs under Windows XP and Vista with
Microsoft's Media Center application, one here at work and the other at
home. Both work perfectly. We have cable TV at both locals. The cards
get both analog and HD (clear QAM).

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac..............
"maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:47c707a6$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
>>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
>>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
>>> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
>>> heard of such a thing...)

Yeah, that can happen to most OSs. One of my least favorite issues in XP
was a system catalog store issue that would 80% of the time require the
system to be rebuilt.

Nobody likes that sort of thing.

I would love to understand how they arrived at that conclusion and what they
specifically feel is corrupt.

>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
>>> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
>>> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
>>> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
>>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
>>> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...

> (btw, I have posted here what my main problem is with Vista about three
> times now, I have yet to receive a response/possible solution form
> anyone..)

This isn't a support forum, though, per the Expectations of Service -
"Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
here."
http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#netiquette

I don't think anyone knows enough about your system to second-guess what
people who looked at your system directly told you.

I definitely don't know how they arrived at their conclusion of 'Vista has
gotten corrupted' and potentially would think that's just the lazy "let's
smash it all to bits" approach to problem-solving here, but again - nobody
here is an expert at digital tuner activation (that I'm aware of), so hoping
for support here is not going to work. You might want to turn to some other
channel, such as a a Windows Media Center-centric forum/site, for advice
that is relevant to your problem.

Please do so. If that doesn't resolve your issue by Monday, post back to
your way way old thread (or anything other than this thread, for which you
and I discussing cable cards would be kind of off-subject-topic), and I'll
give it further probably useless thought and potentially hook you up with a
different solution path.

I know absolutely nothing about digital tuner activation and suspect that no
one here does either.

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation
>>>> for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>
>>>
>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it is
>>> installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
>>> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be
>>> the very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not
>>> limited by any financial barriers.
>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at
>>> all.
>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>>> Which version?
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to
>> some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>
>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>
>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>
> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>
>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>
> Typical answer form these places.
>>
>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key,
>> but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif.
>> for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I
>> have to do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and
>> starting over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData
>> folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in
>> external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean
>> less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>
>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>
> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all over the
> tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware and Vista ready
> drivers.
> Frank

"tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the wrong
card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so, because:

1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..

2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot of
"detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those things
check fine... it's only when I put product key that things go wrong (I
wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in there..)

my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the same
problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after sucessfully
convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product key and stuff, he
put me on hold to find out if anybody else had encountered same problem,
when he came back he said, this prob occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted,
you need to re-install...)

and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any of
those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT customer
service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they are always
very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to get me off the
phone..) it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)

thanks for yr response....

>
> Oh, as an aside, I have two computers using Hauppauge HD cards,
> WinTV-HVR-1600 which currently runs under Windows XP and Vista with
> Microsoft's Media Center application, one here at work and the other at
> home. Both work perfectly. We have cable TV at both locals. The cards
> get both analog and HD (clear QAM).

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation
>>>>> for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it
>>>> is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>>>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a productive
>>>> mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be
>>>> the very best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not
>>>> limited by any financial barriers.
>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it at
>>>> all.
>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>>>> Which version?
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to
>>> some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>
>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>
>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they
>>> have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box,
>>> I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital
>>> cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting
>>> the product key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>
>>
>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>
>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>
>>
>> Typical answer form these places.
>>
>>>
>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key,
>>> but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif.
>>> for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I
>>> have to do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and
>>> starting over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up
>>> AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up
>>> the one in external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a
>>> lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do the
>>> re-install yet...
>>>
>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>
>>
>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all over
>> the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware and Vista
>> ready drivers.
>> Frank
>
>
> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the wrong
> card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so, because:
>
> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>
> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot of
> "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those things
> check fine... it's only when I put product key that things go wrong (I
> wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in there..)

So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company. I
fail to see the connection with Vista.
>
> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the same
> problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after sucessfully
> convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product key and stuff, he
> put me on hold to find out if anybody else had encountered same problem,
> when he came back he said, this prob occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted,
> you need to re-install...)
>
Well, did you try a repair install?

> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any of
> those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT customer
> service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they are always
> very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to get me off the
> phone..)

Really?

it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>
> thanks for yr response....

If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just doing
a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be corrupted.
Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
Frank
>
>>
>> Oh, as an aside, I have two computers using Hauppauge HD cards,
>> WinTV-HVR-1600 which currently runs under Windows XP and Vista with
>> Microsoft's Media Center application, one here at work and the other
>> at home. Both work perfectly. We have cable TV at both locals. The
>> cards get both analog and HD (clear QAM).

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "the wharf rat" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

| In article <#EMail@HideDomain.com>,
| David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>
>> Not that I can provide you -- Sorry !
>>
| Why not?

I can't provide what is NOT publicly available.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>>>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation
>>>>>> for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it
>>>>> is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta. We
>>>>> prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a
>>>>> productive mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find
>>>>> Vista to be the very best OS available today and our choice of OS's
>>>>> is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it
>>>>> at all.
>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use it?
>>>>> Which version?
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to
>>>> some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>>
>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>
>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a
>>>> card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital
>>>> cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the
>>>> digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not
>>>> accepting the product key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>
>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>
>>>
>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key,
>>>> but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine,
>>>> specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product
>>>> key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my
>>>> data and starting over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back
>>>> up AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it
>>>> up the one in external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by
>>>> a lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do
>>>> the re-install yet...
>>>>
>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>
>>>
>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all over
>>> the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware and
>>> Vista ready drivers.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the wrong
>> card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so, because:
>>
>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>
>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot of
>> "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those things
>> check fine... it's only when I put product key that things go wrong (I
>> wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in there..)
>
> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company. I
> fail to see the connection with Vista.

Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media Ctr was
provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable co.. it is
on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product key for Windows
Activation

>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the
>> same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product key
>> and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob occurs
>> b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>
> Well, did you try a repair install?

hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look into
it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean re-install...

>
>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any of
>> those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT customer
>> service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they are always
>> very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to get me off the
>> phone..)
>
> Really?
>
> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>
>> thanks for yr response....
>
> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just doing
> a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be corrupted.
> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?

again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media Ctr
does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like the one
for activating Windows... (and not only this, but researching this
online I found out I will also need the serial no. for the card the
cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the guy had to leave
after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..)
so I don't know if they'll have it on record when I call them and ask
them for it.. they might have to come and install a different one.. as
you can see, this is one big huge headache..

there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product keys
(for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3

the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
"digital cable support for Windows Vista"

thank you..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody here
>>>>>>> takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your motivation
>>>>>>> for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and it
>>>>>> is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the beta.
>>>>>> We prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in a
>>>>>> productive mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We find
>>>>>> Vista to be the very best OS available today and our choice of
>>>>>> OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it
>>>>>> at all.
>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use
>>>>>> it? Which version?
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies to
>>>>> some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a
>>>>> card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital
>>>>> cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate
>>>>> the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is
>>>>> not accepting the product key supplied (it's in a sticker on the
>>>>> machine..)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>
>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key,
>>>>> but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine,
>>>>> specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product
>>>>> key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all
>>>>> my data and starting over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to
>>>>> back up AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done
>>>>> backing it up the one in external HD to where I copied it is much
>>>>> smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine,
>>>>> so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>>>
>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all over
>>>> the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware and
>>>> Vista ready drivers.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the wrong
>>> card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so, because:
>>>
>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>
>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot
>>> of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those
>>> things check fine... it's only when I put product key that things go
>>> wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in there..)
>>
>>
>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company. I
>> fail to see the connection with Vista.
>
>
> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media Ctr was
> provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable co.. it is
> on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product key for Windows
> Activation

The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No need
to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key". So the key
is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you purchased your
system from.

>
>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the
>>> same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product key
>>> and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob occurs
>>> b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>
>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>
>
> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look into
> it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean re-install...
>
>>
>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any of
>>> those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT customer
>>> service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they are always
>>> very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to get me off
>>> the phone..)
>>
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>
>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>
>>> thanks for yr response....
>>
>>
>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
>> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just
>> doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be corrupted.
>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>
>
> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media Ctr
> does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like the one
> for activating Windows... (and not only this, but researching this
> online I found out I will also need the serial no. for the card the
> cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the guy had to leave
> after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..)
> so I don't know if they'll have it on record when I call them and ask
> them for it.. they might have to come and install a different one.. as
> you can see, this is one big huge headache..
>
> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product keys
> (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>
> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"

It's from your OEM.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody
>>>>>>>> here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and
>>>>>>> it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the
>>>>>>> beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in
>>>>>>> a productive mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We
>>>>>>> find Vista to be the very best OS available today and our choice
>>>>>>> of OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with it
>>>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use
>>>>>>> it? Which version?
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies
>>>>>> to some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a
>>>>>> card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital
>>>>>> cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate
>>>>>> the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is
>>>>>> not accepting the product key supplied (it's in a sticker on the
>>>>>> machine..)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>> key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine,
>>>>>> specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product
>>>>>> key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all
>>>>>> my data and starting over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to
>>>>>> back up AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done
>>>>>> backing it up the one in external HD to where I copied it is much
>>>>>> smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine,
>>>>>> so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>>>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all
>>>>> over the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware
>>>>> and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the wrong
>>>> card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so, because:
>>>>
>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>
>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot
>>>> of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those
>>>> things check fine... it's only when I put product key that things go
>>>> wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in there..)
>>>
>>>
>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company. I
>>> fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>
>>
>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media Ctr
>> was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable co..
>> it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product key for
>> Windows Activation
>
> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No need
> to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key". So the key
> is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you purchased your
> system from.
>
>>
>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the
>>>> same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product key
>>>> and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob
>>>> occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>
>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>
>>
>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look into
>> it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean re-install...
>>
>>>
>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any
>>>> of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT customer
>>>> service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they are
>>>> always very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to get
>>>> me off the phone..)
>>>
>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>
>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>
>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>
>>>
>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
>>> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just
>>> doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be
>>> corrupted.
>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>>
>>
>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media Ctr
>> does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like the one
>> for activating Windows... (and not only this, but researching this
>> online I found out I will also need the serial no. for the card the
>> cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the guy had to leave
>> after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in
>> Windows..) so I don't know if they'll have it on record when I call
>> them and ask them for it.. they might have to come and install a
>> different one.. as you can see, this is one big huge headache..
>>
>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product keys
>> (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>
>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
>> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>
> It's from your OEM.
> Frank

yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!! (although
not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the way it works
is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product (in this case
Windows Media Center...))

at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience w/this
problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten corrupted..

thank you..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody
>>>>>>>>> here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and
>>>>>>>> it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the
>>>>>>>> beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista in
>>>>>>>> a productive mode. We over came any and all initial issues. We
>>>>>>>> find Vista to be the very best OS available today and our choice
>>>>>>>> of OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with
>>>>>>>> it at all.
>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use
>>>>>>>> it? Which version?
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies
>>>>>>> to some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a
>>>>>>> card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of
>>>>>>> digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't
>>>>>>> activate the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center b/c
>>>>>>> Vista is not accepting the product key supplied (it's in a
>>>>>>> sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>>> key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my
>>>>>>> machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting
>>>>>>> this product key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means
>>>>>>> wiping out all my data and starting over.. this is a HUGE pain..
>>>>>>> I have tried to back up AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but
>>>>>>> when it's done backing it up the one in external HD to where I
>>>>>>> copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB) than the
>>>>>>> one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>>>>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all
>>>>>> over the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware
>>>>>> and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so,
>>>>> because:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a lot
>>>>> of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all those
>>>>> things check fine... it's only when I put product key that things
>>>>> go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong hardware in
>>>>> there..)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company.
>>>> I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media Ctr
>>> was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable co..
>>> it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product key for
>>> Windows Activation
>>
>>
>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No
>> need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key". So
>> the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you purchased
>> your system from.
>>
>>>
>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with the
>>>>> same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product
>>>>> key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob
>>>>> occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>>
>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look
>>> into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean
>>> re-install...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any
>>>>> of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT
>>>>> customer service, I know some of the guys there by name now.. they
>>>>> are always very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me anything to
>>>>> get me off the phone..)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>
>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
>>>> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just
>>>> doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be
>>>> corrupted.
>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media Ctr
>>> does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like the
>>> one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but researching
>>> this online I found out I will also need the serial no. for the card
>>> the cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the guy had to
>>> leave after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in
>>> Windows..) so I don't know if they'll have it on record when I call
>>> them and ask them for it.. they might have to come and install a
>>> different one.. as you can see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>
>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product keys
>>> (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>
>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
>>> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>
>>
>> It's from your OEM.
>> Frank
>
>
> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!! (although
> not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the way it works
> is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product (in this case
> Windows Media Center...))
>
> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience w/this
> problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten corrupted..
>
> thank you..
>
Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working properly?
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. In article <EMail@HideDomain.com>,
David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>
>I can't provide what is NOT publicly available.
>

Give me a document number and I'll look it up on AKO. No way
is something like that classified.

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. From: "the wharf rat" <EMail@HideDomain.com>

| In article <EMail@HideDomain.com>,
| David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
>>
>> I can't provide what is NOT publicly available.
>>
| Give me a document number and I'll look it up on AKO. No way
| is something like that classified.

Email sent.

--
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Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody
>>>>>>>>>> here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible product...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business and
>>>>>>>>> it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on the
>>>>>>>>> beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for using Vista
>>>>>>>>> in a productive mode. We over came any and all initial issues.
>>>>>>>>> We find Vista to be the very best OS available today and our
>>>>>>>>> choice of OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with
>>>>>>>>> it at all.
>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even use
>>>>>>>>> it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my apologies
>>>>>>>> to some who have read this already, as I have posted this before..)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put
>>>>>>>> a card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of
>>>>>>>> digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't
>>>>>>>> activate the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center
>>>>>>>> b/c Vista is not accepting the product key supplied (it's in a
>>>>>>>> sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>>>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>>>> key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my
>>>>>>>> machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting
>>>>>>>> this product key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means
>>>>>>>> wiping out all my data and starting over.. this is a HUGE
>>>>>>>> pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder inside
>>>>>>>> users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
>>>>>>>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean
>>>>>>>> less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do the
>>>>>>>> re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this were
>>>>>>>> happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all
>>>>>>> over the tv people and force them to give me the correct hardware
>>>>>>> and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so,
>>>>>> because:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a
>>>>>> lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all
>>>>>> those things check fine... it's only when I put product key that
>>>>>> things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong
>>>>>> hardware in there..)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable company.
>>>>> I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media Ctr
>>>> was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable co..
>>>> it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product key for
>>>> Windows Activation
>>>
>>>
>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No
>>> need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key". So
>>> the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you purchased
>>> your system from.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with
>>>>>> the same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>>>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product
>>>>>> key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>>>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob
>>>>>> occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look
>>>> into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean
>>>> re-install...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or any
>>>>>> of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT
>>>>>> customer service, I know some of the guys there by name now..
>>>>>> they are always very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me
>>>>>> anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>
>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
>>>>> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just
>>>>> doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be
>>>>> corrupted.
>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media Ctr
>>>> does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like the
>>>> one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but researching
>>>> this online I found out I will also need the serial no. for the card
>>>> the cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the guy had to
>>>> leave after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in
>>>> Windows..) so I don't know if they'll have it on record when I call
>>>> them and ask them for it.. they might have to come and install a
>>>> different one.. as you can see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>>
>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product keys
>>>> (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>
>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
>>>> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>
>>>
>>> It's from your OEM.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the
>> way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product (in
>> this case Windows Media Center...))
>>
>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience w/this
>> problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten corrupted..
>>
>> thank you..
>>
> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working properly?
> Frank

generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly annoying
(not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse does not track
well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were sitting on eggs or
something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same problem.. (they said
other users report same problem, and apparently this problem was also
solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to give this a try, but if I
have to do this ONE more time in the future I think I'm switching to a
mac.. )

thank you..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. zachd [MSFT] wrote:
> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:47c707a6$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>>>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
>>>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>>>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
>>>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten corrupted
>>>> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted, whoever
>>>> heard of such a thing...)
>
> Yeah, that can happen to most OSs. One of my least favorite issues in XP
> was a system catalog store issue that would 80% of the time require the
> system to be rebuilt.
>
> Nobody likes that sort of thing.
>
> I would love to understand how they arrived at that conclusion and what they
> specifically feel is corrupt.
>
>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key, but
>>>> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
>>>> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
>>>> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>>>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in external
>>>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
>>>> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>
>> (btw, I have posted here what my main problem is with Vista about three
>> times now, I have yet to receive a response/possible solution form
>> anyone..)
>
> This isn't a support forum, though, per the Expectations of Service -
> "Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll find
> here."
> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#netiquette

ok, point taken... I know there's a limit to how much help you can get
on these forums, but well, it would be nice if M$ had free tech-support,
wouldn't it now?? ;) (esp for a such a terribly buggy product..)

btw, found two interesting posts in "vista sucks" blog:
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/was-vista-rushed-so-senior-vp-could-accept-amazons-millions/
http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/court-docs-reveal-vista-requirements-lowered-to-help-intel-sell-incompatible-chipsets/
(http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/)

> I don't think anyone knows enough about your system to second-guess what
> people who looked at your system directly told you.
>
> I definitely don't know how they arrived at their conclusion of 'Vista has
> gotten corrupted' and potentially would think that's just the lazy "let's
> smash it all to bits" approach to problem-solving here, but again - nobody
> here is an expert at digital tuner activation (that I'm aware of), so hoping
> for support here is not going to work. You might want to turn to some other
> channel, such as a a Windows Media Center-centric forum/site, for advice
> that is relevant to your problem.

ok, will try vista.music_pictures_video.. see how I fare over there..
thank you Zach..

> Please do so. If that doesn't resolve your issue by Monday, post back to
> your way way old thread (or anything other than this thread, for which you
> and I discussing cable cards would be kind of off-subject-topic), and I'll
> give it further probably useless thought and potentially hook you up with a
> different solution path.
>
> I know absolutely nothing about digital tuner activation and suspect that no
> one here does either.
>
> -Zach

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody
>>>>>>>>>>> here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>> product...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business
>>>>>>>>>> and it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on
>>>>>>>>>> the beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for using
>>>>>>>>>> Vista in a productive mode. We over came any and all initial
>>>>>>>>>> issues. We find Vista to be the very best OS available today
>>>>>>>>>> and our choice of OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems with
>>>>>>>>>> it at all.
>>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even
>>>>>>>>>> use it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my
>>>>>>>>> apologies to some who have read this already, as I have posted
>>>>>>>>> this before..)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put
>>>>>>>>> a card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of
>>>>>>>>> digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't
>>>>>>>>> activate the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media Center
>>>>>>>>> b/c Vista is not accepting the product key supplied (it's in a
>>>>>>>>> sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets
>>>>>>>>> corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>>>>> key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my
>>>>>>>>> machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting
>>>>>>>>> this product key; I have to do a clean re-install, which means
>>>>>>>>> wiping out all my data and starting over.. this is a HUGE
>>>>>>>>> pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder inside
>>>>>>>>> users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in
>>>>>>>>> external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot -
>>>>>>>>> (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do the
>>>>>>>>> re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this
>>>>>>>>> were happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all
>>>>>>>> over the tv people and force them to give me the correct
>>>>>>>> hardware and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think so,
>>>>>>> because:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a
>>>>>>> lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all
>>>>>>> those things check fine... it's only when I put product key that
>>>>>>> things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong
>>>>>>> hardware in there..)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable
>>>>>> company. I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media
>>>>> Ctr was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable
>>>>> co.. it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the product
>>>>> key for Windows Activation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No
>>>> need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key". So
>>>> the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you
>>>> purchased your system from.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with
>>>>>>> the same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>>>>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product
>>>>>>> key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>>>>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob
>>>>>>> occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look
>>>>> into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean
>>>>> re-install...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or
>>>>>>> any of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT
>>>>>>> customer service, I know some of the guys there by name now..
>>>>>>> they are always very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me
>>>>>>> anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key has
>>>>>> corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that just
>>>>>> doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to be
>>>>>> corrupted.
>>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media
>>>>> Ctr does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like
>>>>> the one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but
>>>>> researching this online I found out I will also need the serial no.
>>>>> for the card the cable co. put in there, I don't have it (since the
>>>>> guy had to leave after inserting the card b/c I couldn't dig cable
>>>>> feature in Windows..) so I don't know if they'll have it on record
>>>>> when I call them and ask them for it.. they might have to come and
>>>>> install a different one.. as you can see, this is one big huge
>>>>> headache..
>>>>>
>>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product
>>>>> keys (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>>
>>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
>>>>> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's from your OEM.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the
>>> way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product
>>> (in this case Windows Media Center...))
>>>
>>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience
>>> w/this problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten
>>> corrupted..
>>>
>>> thank you..
>>>
>> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working
>> properly?
>> Frank
>
>
> generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly annoying
> (not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse does not track
> well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were sitting on eggs or
> something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same problem.. (they said
> other users report same problem, and apparently this problem was also
> solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to give this a try, but if I
> have to do this ONE more time in the future I think I'm switching to a
> mac.. )
>

So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?

Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
Hummm...?
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> zachd [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>> news:47c707a6$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>
>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>>>>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they have
>>>>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>>>>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv
>>>>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>>>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>> corrupted
>>>>> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted,
>>>>> whoever
>>>>> heard of such a thing...)
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that can happen to most OSs. One of my least favorite issues in
>> XP was a system catalog store issue that would 80% of the time require
>> the system to be rebuilt.
>>
>> Nobody likes that sort of thing.
>>
>> I would love to understand how they arrived at that conclusion and
>> what they specifically feel is corrupt.
>>
>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod key,
>>>>> but
>>>>> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
>>>>> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I have to
>>>>> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>>>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>>>>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in
>>>>> external
>>>>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
>>>>> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>
>>
>>> (btw, I have posted here what my main problem is with Vista about
>>> three times now, I have yet to receive a response/possible solution
>>> form anyone..)
>>
>>
>> This isn't a support forum, though, per the Expectations of Service -
>> "Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll
>> find here."
>> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#netiquette
>
>
> ok, point taken... I know there's a limit to how much help you can get
> on these forums, but well, it would be nice if M$ had free tech-support,
> wouldn't it now?? ;) (esp for a such a terribly buggy product..)

You have a new, recently purchased OEM computer right?
If so then your main support is from the OEM. Not directly from MS.
These ng's are for peer-to-peer help. But again, if it's OEM it is they
who are responsible for helping you.

>
> btw, found two interesting posts in "vista sucks" blog:
> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/was-vista-rushed-so-senior-vp-could-accept-amazons-millions/
>
> http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/court-docs-reveal-vista-requirements-lowered-to-help-intel-sell-incompatible-chipsets/
>
> (http://vistasucks.wordpress.com/)

"vistasucks" is not a very good place (rather obvious I'd say) to get
any help. Try your OEM who took your good $'s. I'd lean on them till
they fixed your install.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think anybody
>>>>>>>>>>>> here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>> product...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business
>>>>>>>>>>> and it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in on
>>>>>>>>>>> the beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for using
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista in a productive mode. We over came any and all initial
>>>>>>>>>>> issues. We find Vista to be the very best OS available today
>>>>>>>>>>> and our choice of OS's is not limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems
>>>>>>>>>>> with it at all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even
>>>>>>>>>>> use it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my
>>>>>>>>>> apologies to some who have read this already, as I have posted
>>>>>>>>>> this before..)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE pain:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to
>>>>>>>>>> put a card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv.
>>>>>>>>>> of digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I
>>>>>>>>>> can't activate the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media
>>>>>>>>>> Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product key supplied
>>>>>>>>>> (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>>>>>> corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that
>>>>>>>>>> gets corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>>>>>> key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my
>>>>>>>>>> machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting
>>>>>>>>>> this product key; I have to do a clean re-install, which
>>>>>>>>>> means wiping out all my data and starting over.. this is a
>>>>>>>>>> HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder inside
>>>>>>>>>> users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in
>>>>>>>>>> external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot -
>>>>>>>>>> (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't do the
>>>>>>>>>> re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this
>>>>>>>>>> were happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be all
>>>>>>>>> over the tv people and force them to give me the correct
>>>>>>>>> hardware and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think
>>>>>>>> so, because:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a
>>>>>>>> lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all
>>>>>>>> those things check fine... it's only when I put product key that
>>>>>>>> things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the wrong
>>>>>>>> hardware in there..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable
>>>>>>> company. I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media
>>>>>> Ctr was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable
>>>>>> co.. it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the
>>>>>> product key for Windows Activation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated. No
>>>>> need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation key".
>>>>> So the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM you
>>>>> purchased your system from.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with
>>>>>>>> the same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista.. (after
>>>>>>>> sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong product
>>>>>>>> key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody else had
>>>>>>>> encountered same problem, when he came back he said, this prob
>>>>>>>> occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look
>>>>>> into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean
>>>>>> re-install...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or
>>>>>>>> any of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have EXCELLENT
>>>>>>>> customer service, I know some of the guys there by name now..
>>>>>>>> they are always very helpful... they wouldn't just tell me
>>>>>>>> anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key
>>>>>>> has corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that
>>>>>>> just doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to
>>>>>>> be corrupted.
>>>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work properly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media
>>>>>> Ctr does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just like
>>>>>> the one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but
>>>>>> researching this online I found out I will also need the serial
>>>>>> no. for the card the cable co. put in there, I don't have it
>>>>>> (since the guy had to leave after inserting the card b/c I
>>>>>> couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..) so I don't know if
>>>>>> they'll have it on record when I call them and ask them for it..
>>>>>> they might have to come and install a different one.. as you can
>>>>>> see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product
>>>>>> keys (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it says
>>>>>> "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's from your OEM.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>>>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the
>>>> way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product
>>>> (in this case Windows Media Center...))
>>>>
>>>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience
>>>> w/this problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten
>>>> corrupted..
>>>>
>>>> thank you..
>>>>
>>> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working
>>> properly?
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly
>> annoying (not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse
>> does not track well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were
>> sitting on eggs or something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same
>> problem.. (they said other users report same problem, and apparently
>> this problem was also solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to
>> give this a try, but if I have to do this ONE more time in the future
>> I think I'm switching to a mac.. )
>>
>
> So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
> OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
> same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?
>
> Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
> there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
> have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
> Hummm...?
> Frank
>

Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your conclusion..
all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into same problems
with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys probably also
exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean since all OEMs are
stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$ wont take
responsibility for their own product and provide tech support for it
themselves..)

dont know what you mean by "other OEM software" machine came installed
with Vista, that's it..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> zachd [MSFT] wrote:
>>
>>> "maya" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47c707a6$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>>
>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when purchased
>>>>>> the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to put a card they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to put in the back of this tuner (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm
>>>>>> paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I can't activate the digital
>>>>>> cable-tv
>>>>>> feature in Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the
>>>>>> product
>>>>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has gotten
>>>>>> corrupted
>>>>>> and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS that gets corrupted,
>>>>>> whoever
>>>>>> heard of such a thing...)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that can happen to most OSs. One of my least favorite issues
>>> in XP was a system catalog store issue that would 80% of the time
>>> require the system to be rebuilt.
>>>
>>> Nobody likes that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> I would love to understand how they arrived at that conclusion and
>>> what they specifically feel is corrupt.
>>>
>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation prod
>>>>>> key, but
>>>>>> another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in my machine, specif. for
>>>>>> digital cable TV.. Vista is not accepting this product key; I
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> do a clean re-install, which means wiping out all my data and
>>>>>> starting
>>>>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>>>>>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one in
>>>>>> external
>>>>>> HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB)
>>>>>> than the one on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>
>>>
>>>> (btw, I have posted here what my main problem is with Vista about
>>>> three times now, I have yet to receive a response/possible solution
>>>> form anyone..)
>>>
>>>
>>> This isn't a support forum, though, per the Expectations of Service -
>>> "Microsoft does not offer formal support for the communities you'll
>>> find here."
>>> http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#netiquette
>>
>>
>> ok, point taken... I know there's a limit to how much help you can
>> get on these forums, but well, it would be nice if M$ had free
>> tech-support, wouldn't it now?? ;) (esp for a such a terribly buggy
>> product..)
>
> You have a new, recently purchased OEM computer right?
> If so then your main support is from the OEM. Not directly from MS.
> These ng's are for peer-to-peer help. But again, if it's OEM it is they
> who are responsible for helping you.

M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR product,
for god's sake..) esp since this is a terribly buggy product.. most
phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related.. is M$ paying them to provide
tech-support for their product? I doubt it..

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> product...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business
>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for
>>>>>>>>>>>> using Vista in a productive mode. We over came any and all
>>>>>>>>>>>> initial issues. We find Vista to be the very best OS
>>>>>>>>>>>> available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by any
>>>>>>>>>>>> financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> with it at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even
>>>>>>>>>>>> use it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my
>>>>>>>>>>> apologies to some who have read this already, as I have
>>>>>>>>>>> posted this before..)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE
>>>>>>>>>>> pain:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to
>>>>>>>>>>> put a card they have to put in the back of this tuner (equiv.
>>>>>>>>>>> of digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..) but now I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't activate the digital cable-tv feature in Windows Media
>>>>>>>>>>> Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product key supplied
>>>>>>>>>>> (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has
>>>>>>>>>>> gotten corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS
>>>>>>>>>>> that gets corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation
>>>>>>>>>>> prod key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in
>>>>>>>>>>> my machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not
>>>>>>>>>>> accepting this product key; I have to do a clean re-install,
>>>>>>>>>>> which means wiping out all my data and starting over.. this
>>>>>>>>>>> is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up AppData folder
>>>>>>>>>>> inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing it up the one
>>>>>>>>>>> in external HD to where I copied it is much smaller - by a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my machine, so I can't
>>>>>>>>>>> do the re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this
>>>>>>>>>>> were happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be
>>>>>>>>>> all over the tv people and force them to give me the correct
>>>>>>>>>> hardware and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think
>>>>>>>>> so, because:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does a
>>>>>>>>> lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and all
>>>>>>>>> those things check fine... it's only when I put product key
>>>>>>>>> that things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the
>>>>>>>>> wrong hardware in there..)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable
>>>>>>>> company. I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media
>>>>>>> Ctr was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the cable
>>>>>>> co.. it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to the
>>>>>>> product key for Windows Activation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated.
>>>>>> No need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation
>>>>>> key". So the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM
>>>>>> you purchased your system from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients with
>>>>>>>>> the same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista..
>>>>>>>>> (after sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in wrong
>>>>>>>>> product key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if anybody
>>>>>>>>> else had encountered same problem, when he came back he said,
>>>>>>>>> this prob occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need to
>>>>>>>>> re-install...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to look
>>>>>>> into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a clean
>>>>>>> re-install...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or
>>>>>>>>> any of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have
>>>>>>>>> EXCELLENT customer service, I know some of the guys there by
>>>>>>>>> name now.. they are always very helpful... they wouldn't just
>>>>>>>>> tell me anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key
>>>>>>>> has corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous that
>>>>>>>> just doing a product key activation would cause the entire OS to
>>>>>>>> be corrupted.
>>>>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work
>>>>>>>> properly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media
>>>>>>> Ctr does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just
>>>>>>> like the one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but
>>>>>>> researching this online I found out I will also need the serial
>>>>>>> no. for the card the cable co. put in there, I don't have it
>>>>>>> (since the guy had to leave after inserting the card b/c I
>>>>>>> couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..) so I don't know if
>>>>>>> they'll have it on record when I call them and ask them for it..
>>>>>>> they might have to come and install a different one.. as you can
>>>>>>> see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product
>>>>>>> keys (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it
>>>>>>> says "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's from your OEM.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>>>>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume the
>>>>> way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$ product
>>>>> (in this case Windows Media Center...))
>>>>>
>>>>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience
>>>>> w/this problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten
>>>>> corrupted..
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working
>>>> properly?
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly
>>> annoying (not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse
>>> does not track well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were
>>> sitting on eggs or something.. guy at OEM said this was part of same
>>> problem.. (they said other users report same problem, and apparently
>>> this problem was also solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm willing to
>>> give this a try, but if I have to do this ONE more time in the future
>>> I think I'm switching to a mac.. )
>>>
>>
>> So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
>> OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
>> same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?
>>
>> Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd
>> suspect there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their
>> customers to have the same exact problem and their only solution is a
>> clean install.
>> Hummm...?
>> Frank
>>
>
> Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your conclusion..
> all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into same problems
> with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys probably also
> exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean since all OEMs are
> stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$ wont take
> responsibility for their own product and provide tech support for it
> themselves..)

"Stuck"...I see you don't really have an understanding of how the OEM vs
Retail software market works do you as evidence by your statement..."I
mean since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$
wont take responsibility for their own product and provide tech support
for it themselves..)
You maybe should have built your own computer and then purchased a
retail copy of Vista.
Also using "M$" is a slur sig against MS. I'm beginning to get the very
clear notion that your don't like MS or Vista and never will and that
you should move to either a MAC or linux OS.
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> maya wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64. We were in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the beta. We prepared our computers and our staff for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Vista in a productive mode. We over came any and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial issues. We find Vista to be the very best OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> available today and our choice of OS's is not limited by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my
>>>>>>>>>>>> apologies to some who have read this already, as I have
>>>>>>>>>>>> posted this before..)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE
>>>>>>>>>>>> pain:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to
>>>>>>>>>>>> put a card they have to put in the back of this tuner
>>>>>>>>>>>> (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..)
>>>>>>>>>>>> but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv feature in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>>>>>>>>>>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has
>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire OS
>>>>>>>>>>>> that gets corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation
>>>>>>>>>>>> prod key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in
>>>>>>>>>>>> my machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> accepting this product key; I have to do a clean
>>>>>>>>>>>> re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>>>>>>>>>>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up
>>>>>>>>>>>> AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done backing
>>>>>>>>>>>> it up the one in external HD to where I copied it is much
>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB) than the one on my
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this
>>>>>>>>>>>> were happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>> all over the tv people and force them to give me the correct
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put the
>>>>>>>>>> wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't think
>>>>>>>>>> so, because:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does
>>>>>>>>>> a lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and
>>>>>>>>>> all those things check fine... it's only when I put product
>>>>>>>>>> key that things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had the
>>>>>>>>>> wrong hardware in there..)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable
>>>>>>>>> company. I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win Media
>>>>>>>> Ctr was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from the
>>>>>>>> cable co.. it is on a sticker on the machine, right next to
>>>>>>>> the product key for Windows Activation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated.
>>>>>>> No need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation
>>>>>>> key". So the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM
>>>>>>> you purchased your system from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients
>>>>>>>>>> with the same problem, it was solved by re-installing Vista..
>>>>>>>>>> (after sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT typing in
>>>>>>>>>> wrong product key and stuff, he put me on hold to find out if
>>>>>>>>>> anybody else had encountered same problem, when he came back
>>>>>>>>>> he said, this prob occurs b/c Vista gets corrupted, you need
>>>>>>>>>> to re-install...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to
>>>>>>>> look into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a
>>>>>>>> clean re-install...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or
>>>>>>>>>> any of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have
>>>>>>>>>> EXCELLENT customer service, I know some of the guys there by
>>>>>>>>>> name now.. they are always very helpful... they wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> just tell me anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key
>>>>>>>>> has corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous
>>>>>>>>> that just doing a product key activation would cause the entire
>>>>>>>>> OS to be corrupted.
>>>>>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work
>>>>>>>>> properly?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in Media
>>>>>>>> Ctr does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine, just
>>>>>>>> like the one for activating Windows... (and not only this, but
>>>>>>>> researching this online I found out I will also need the serial
>>>>>>>> no. for the card the cable co. put in there, I don't have it
>>>>>>>> (since the guy had to leave after inserting the card b/c I
>>>>>>>> couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..) so I don't know if
>>>>>>>> they'll have it on record when I call them and ask them for it..
>>>>>>>> they might have to come and install a different one.. as you can
>>>>>>>> see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product
>>>>>>>> keys (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>>>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>>>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it
>>>>>>>> says "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's from your OEM.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>>>>>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume
>>>>>> the way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$
>>>>>> product (in this case Windows Media Center...))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience
>>>>>> w/this problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten
>>>>>> corrupted..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working
>>>>> properly?
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly
>>>> annoying (not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse
>>>> does not track well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were
>>>> sitting on eggs or something.. guy at OEM said this was part of
>>>> same problem.. (they said other users report same problem, and
>>>> apparently this problem was also solved by re-installing Vista.. I'm
>>>> willing to give this a try, but if I have to do this ONE more time
>>>> in the future I think I'm switching to a mac.. )
>>>>
>>>
>>> So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the
>>> other OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers
>>> of the same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?
>>>
>>> Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd
>>> suspect there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their
>>> customers to have the same exact problem and their only solution is a
>>> clean install.
>>> Hummm...?
>>> Frank
>>>
>>
>> Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your
>> conclusion.. all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into
>> same problems with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys
>> probably also exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean since
>> all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$ wont
>> take responsibility for their own product and provide tech support for
>> it themselves..)
>
> "Stuck"...I see you don't really have an understanding of how the OEM vs
> Retail software market works do you as evidence by your statement..."I
> mean since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$
> wont take responsibility for their own product and provide tech support
> for it themselves..)
> You maybe should have built your own computer and then purchased a
> retail copy of Vista.
> Also using "M$" is a slur sig against MS. I'm beginning to get the very
> clear notion that your don't like MS or Vista and never will and that
> you should move to either a MAC or linux OS.
> Frank

Frank, I know you wont believe this, but I was never much of
Microsoft-basher until now.. yes I know how the OEM thing "works", but
sorry, I still think it's unfair to OEMs.. esp my OEM, they are a small
co., their machines are manufactured and assembled entirely in the U.S.,
their tech-support is entirely US-based, they don't outsource anything,
they have the best customer/tech support of anybody I have ever dealt
with... and well, I know what you're saying, but sorry, I still think
Microsoft is getting away with murder here..

but that's just my personal opinion.. nothing else... ;) thanks for
responding to my posts...

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR product,
> for god's sake..)

They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.

esp since this is a terribly buggy product..

That is simply not true.

most
> phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related..

If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
be about Vista.

is M$ paying them to provide
> tech-support for their product?

In a sense yes!

I doubt it..

OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
(add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
by other companies.
Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
also all of the other software they load.
Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.
Sorry!
Frank

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR
>> product, for god's sake..)
>
> They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.
>
> esp since this is a terribly buggy product..
>
> That is simply not true.
>
> most
>> phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related..
>
> If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
> be about Vista.
>
> is M$ paying them to provide
>> tech-support for their product?
>
> In a sense yes!
>
> I doubt it..
>
> OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
> computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
> (add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
> by other companies.
> Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
> obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
> also all of the other software they load.
> Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
> Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.

I did NOT run into one of those.. you dont believe me, b/c you don't
want to believe the prob is with Vista.. they have great tech support,
they are very helpful, I know some of guys there by name by now.. you
just dont agree with solution they are providing, is all...;) (it can't
be their fault if Vista is such a lousy OS it gets corrupted, can it??)

oh well, I dont want to get into another "shouting match" .. let's just
agree to disagree, ok????

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:

<snip>

>
> So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the other
> OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers of the
> same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?
>
> Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd suspect
> there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their customers to
> have the same exact problem and their only solution is a clean install.
> Hummm...?
> Frank

Now this has got to be the MOST hilarious post I've seen in a long time on
Usenet. Frank, THE Usenet Village Idiot doesn't "want to jump to any
irrational conclusions". Now that is FUNNY!!!! What a dimwit coming from a
guy who's the most irrational person I've ever had the fun to meet.

Cheers.

--
Vista will make you speechless!
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Q: What OS is built for lusers?
A: Which one requires running lusermgr.msc to create them?

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
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Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. Frank wrote:
> maya wrote:
>
>> M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR
>> product, for god's sake..)
>
> They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.
>
> esp since this is a terribly buggy product..
>
> That is simply not true.
>
> most
>> phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related..
>
> If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls would
> be about Vista.
>
> is M$ paying them to provide
>> tech-support for their product?
>
> In a sense yes!
>
> I doubt it..
>
> OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
> computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
> (add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to load
> by other companies.
> Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
> obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
> also all of the other software they load.
> Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply horrible.
> Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.
> Sorry!
> Frank

and Frank, since you're saying they are providing wrong solution, what
IS the solution in your view?????????

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> M$ SHOULD provide tech support for Vista themselves (it's THEIR
>>> product, for god's sake..)
>>
>>
>> They do if you have a retail copy of Vista.
>>
>> esp since this is a terribly buggy product..
>>
>> That is simply not true.
>>
>> most
>>
>>> phone calls OEM gets are Vista-related..
>>
>>
>> If that is the OS they are pre-installing then of course the calls
>> would be about Vista.
>>
>> is M$ paying them to provide
>>
>>> tech-support for their product?
>>
>>
>> In a sense yes!
>>
>> I doubt it..
>>
>> OEM's get a deep discount on the OS they chose to pre-install on the
>> computers they sell. OEM's can modify the OS to a certain extend
>> (add/remove some features) and load software they are being paid to
>> load by other companies.
>> Becoming an OEM and getting deep discounts carries the contractual
>> obligation of providing tech support for not only the OS they load but
>> also all of the other software they load.
>> Obviously there are a few bad OEM's whose tech support is simply
>> horrible.
>> Sounds like you unfortunately ran into one of those.
>
>
> I did NOT run into one of those.. you dont believe me, b/c you don't
> want to believe the prob is with Vista..

Based on what you've posted...that they are telling you Vista is
corrupted...yet you say other than activating WMC...all is ok...I'd say
you did run into "one of those".

they have great tech support,
> they are very helpful, I know some of guys there by name by now.. you
> just dont agree with solution they are providing, is all...;)

It's you who is not agreeing with the solution they are proposing. I
just think they created the problem and are making you do the solution.

(it can't
> be their fault if Vista is such a lousy OS it gets corrupted, can it??)

Ok, so you hate Vista. Fine...then dump it for something else.
>
> oh well, I dont want to get into another "shouting match" .. let's just
> agree to disagree, ok????
>
Whatever.
Frank
>
>

Windows Vista >> U.S. military div switching to Mac.............. maya wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> maya wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maya wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ignorantly stupid childish crap. He's a mac troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I swear you're a child, Frank.. do you really think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody here takes you seriously anymore????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is asking that question about you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you still haven't answered my question of what is your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for so vigorously defending such a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We use Vista Ultimate in our marketing/advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business and it is installed on 15 boxes both x32 & x64.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We were in on the beta. We prepared our computers and our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff for using Vista in a productive mode. We over came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any and all initial issues. We find Vista to be the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best OS available today and our choice of OS's is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited by any financial barriers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also personally use Vista Ultimate and have no problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now what is your problem with Vista? Do you have it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even use it? Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok Frank, now we talking... my problem with Vista (my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apologies to some who have read this already, as I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> posted this before..)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few problems, but one GLARING one, which is a HUGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pain:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two HD tv tuners in my machine, which I ordered when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchased the machine, so the cable guy came to my house to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put a card they have to put in the back of this tuner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (equiv. of digital cable box, I'm paying $10/mo. for it..)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but now I can't activate the digital cable-tv feature in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Media Center b/c Vista is not accepting the product
>>>>>>>>>>>>> key supplied (it's in a sticker on the machine..)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously the cable company screwed up. Not Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folks where I bought my machine said it's b/c Vista has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten corrupted and I need to re-install it.. (an entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS that gets corrupted, whoever heard of such a thing...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Typical answer form these places.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now pls note I'm NOT talking about the Windows activation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prod key, but another one, a 2nd prouduct key on sticker in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my machine, specif. for digital cable TV.. Vista is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepting this product key; I have to do a clean
>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-install, which means wiping out all my data and starting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over.. this is a HUGE pain.. I have tried to back up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AppData folder inside users/<me>/ but when it's done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> backing it up the one in external HD to where I copied it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is much smaller - by a lot - (I mean less GB) than the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my machine, so I can't do the re-install yet...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW you know why I'm so pissed; frankly Frank, ;) if this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were happening to you, wouldn't you also be pissed??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly but not at Vista. What did Vista do wrong? I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the tv people and force them to give me the correct
>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware and Vista ready drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "tv people" -- you mean the cable co.?? the cable co. put
>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong card and that's why I can't activate it? I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think so, because:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) I'm sure cable co. knows what cards to insert in machines..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) when I start activation process in Media Ctr it first does
>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of "detecting that you have correct card.." etc.. and
>>>>>>>>>>> all those things check fine... it's only when I put product
>>>>>>>>>>> key that things go wrong (I wouldn't get that far if I had
>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong hardware in there..)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you're having trouble with a product key from the cable
>>>>>>>>>> company. I fail to see the connection with Vista.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank, the product key for activating digital cable on Win
>>>>>>>>> Media Ctr was provided with my machine, it does NOT come from
>>>>>>>>> the cable co.. it is on a sticker on the machine, right next
>>>>>>>>> to the product key for Windows Activation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The key is only supplied by OEM's. Our WMC is already activated.
>>>>>>>> No need to activate. In fact we don't even have an "activation
>>>>>>>> key". So the key is supplied not by MS directly but from the OEM
>>>>>>>> you purchased your system from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> my comp manufacturer, they said they have a no. of clients
>>>>>>>>>>> with the same problem, it was solved by re-installing
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista.. (after sucessfully convinving the guy I was NOT
>>>>>>>>>>> typing in wrong product key and stuff, he put me on hold to
>>>>>>>>>>> find out if anybody else had encountered same problem, when
>>>>>>>>>>> he came back he said, this prob occurs b/c Vista gets
>>>>>>>>>>> corrupted, you need to re-install...)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, did you try a repair install?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hhmmm.. repair install.. not sure what this entails, have to
>>>>>>>>> look into it, I guess.. but my machine manuf'r recommends a
>>>>>>>>> clean re-install...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and these guys are great, my machine is not Gateway, Dell, or
>>>>>>>>>>> any of those, it's much lesser-known brand, they have
>>>>>>>>>>> EXCELLENT customer service, I know some of the guys there by
>>>>>>>>>>> name now.. they are always very helpful... they wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> just tell me anything to get me off the phone..)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's not a big co. like Dell, etc... they make high-end
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> machines, extremely fast, they sell mostly to "gamers"....;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for yr response....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If installing a tv card and trying to activate using their key
>>>>>>>>>> has corrupted Vista I'd make them fix it! That's ridiculous
>>>>>>>>>> that just doing a product key activation would cause the
>>>>>>>>>> entire OS to be corrupted.
>>>>>>>>>> Other than the key not working does the rest of Vista work
>>>>>>>>>> properly?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> again, product key for activation of dig. cable feature in
>>>>>>>>> Media Ctr does NOT come from cable co, it comes w/the machine,
>>>>>>>>> just like the one for activating Windows... (and not only
>>>>>>>>> this, but researching this online I found out I will also need
>>>>>>>>> the serial no. for the card the cable co. put in there, I don't
>>>>>>>>> have it (since the guy had to leave after inserting the card
>>>>>>>>> b/c I couldn't dig cable feature in Windows..) so I don't know
>>>>>>>>> if they'll have it on record when I call them and ask them for
>>>>>>>>> it.. they might have to come and install a different one.. as
>>>>>>>>> you can see, this is one big huge headache..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there is a screenshot of the sticker here, with the two product
>>>>>>>>> keys (for Windows activation and for dig. cable activation)
>>>>>>>>> http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=2&cp=3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the one on the RIGHT is the one for digital cable..
>>>>>>>>> this sticker is on the machine itself.. you will see that it
>>>>>>>>> says "digital cable support for Windows Vista"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's from your OEM.
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, it comes from my OEM, but Vista is not accepting it!!!!
>>>>>>> (although not sure exactly, how this works... I mean I assume
>>>>>>> the way it works is OEM gets it from M$ -- since it's for a M$
>>>>>>> product (in this case Windows Media Center...))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at any rate my OEM's diagnosis (based on their prior experience
>>>>>>> w/this problem) is that Vista is not accepting it b/c it's gotten
>>>>>>> corrupted..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah I hear you but other than WMC, is the rest of Vista working
>>>>>> properly?
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> generally yes, but another problem am having, which is terribly
>>>>> annoying (not to speak of ergonomically-taxing), is that the mouse
>>>>> does not track well at all, it's "wobbly", as if the mouse were
>>>>> sitting on eggs or something.. guy at OEM said this was part of
>>>>> same problem.. (they said other users report same problem, and
>>>>> apparently this problem was also solved by re-installing Vista..
>>>>> I'm willing to give this a try, but if I have to do this ONE more
>>>>> time in the future I think I'm switching to a mac.. )
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're OEM computer came pre-loaded with Vista and all of the
>>>> other OEM software correct? And you and most of the other customers
>>>> of the same OEM are all having the exact same problem correct?
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't want to jump to any irrational conclusions but I'd
>>>> suspect there is something the OEM is doing to cause all of their
>>>> customers to have the same exact problem and their only solution is
>>>> a clean install.
>>>> Hummm...?
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>
>>> Frank, I never said "all of their customers.." this is your
>>> conclusion.. all I said is that OEM has had other customers run into
>>> same problems with Vista and this was the solution.. (these guys
>>> probably also exchange info about this w/other sources.. I mean
>>> since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support for Vista, since M$
>>> wont take responsibility for their own product and provide tech
>>> support for it themselves..)
>>
>>
>> "Stuck"...I see you don't really have an understanding of how the OEM
>> vs Retail software market works do you as evidence by your
>> statement..."I mean since all OEMs are stuck providing tech support
>> for Vista, since M$ wont take responsibility for their own product and
>> provide tech support for it themselves..)
>> You maybe should have built your own computer and then purchased a
>> retail copy of Vista.
>> Also using "M$" is a slur sig against MS. I'm beginning to get the
>> very clear notion that your don't like MS or Vista and never will and
>> that you should move to either a MAC or linux OS.
>> Frank
>
>
> Frank, I know you wont believe this, but I was never much of
> Microsoft-basher until now..

So your Vista bashing is based on the fact that you can't get an OEM WMC
to activate, right?

yes I know how the OEM thing "works", but
> sorry, I still think it's unfair to OEMs..

Uhhh...no one forced them to sign up to become an OEM did they? I fail
to see the unfairness of the deal. OEM's make a lot of money doing what
they do.

esp my OEM, they are a small
> co., their machines are manufactured and assembled entirely in the U.S.,

Really? I've can't remember when I last saw a mobo, vc or any other
hardware that was made in America.

> their tech-support is entirely US-based, they don't outsource anything,
> they have the best customer/tech support of anybody I have ever dealt
> with...

If you say so. But why can't they fix your computer?

and well, I know what you're saying, but sorry, I still think
> Microsoft is getting away with murder here..

I see you don't understand the OEM deal at all.
>
> but that's just my personal opinion.. nothing else... ;) thanks for
> responding to my posts...

Good luck!
Frank