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We recently pruchased (3/07) a new Gateway desktop with Vista on it. Vista

has been nothing but problems. My wife's employer had the same issue. They

were given copies of XP for 1 cent to replace Vista. Any idea if that

applies to home computers? We've spent hours on fixes because of Vista.


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Which Vista Edition did your Gateway come preinstalled with?



Previously posted by Carey Frisch [MVP]

Sure, if you have your own Windows XP installation CD and Windows XP product

key that is not in use. Otherwise, the Windows Vista Home Premium version

does not confer downgrade rights. Please see:

download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf" >download.microsoft.com/download/5/f/4/5f4c83d3-833e-4f11-8cbd-699b0c164182/royaltyoemreferencesheet.pdf



What type of problems are you experiencing with Windows Vista? You never

know, we might be able to help you fix it.

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"John Mc" <John Mc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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It takes about 20 to 30 "clicks" on our webrowser to engage the internent; we

often lose word documents, other incompatability issues. I have already

re-loaded Vista due to these issues from the operating systems disk supplied

with the computer when we purchased it. In total have spent about 15 hours

on fixes. We do not have a Windows XP CD or product key that is not in use.

I really don't want to have to buy XP and feel Microsoft should suppy it for

a reduced cost at least if not free. There are just so many problems with

Vista. I recently spoke with Microsoft directly. The tech admitted that

Vista was not ready for release when we purchased this computer and regretted

she could not help me futher. We have Windows Vista Home Premium. Any other

thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.



"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:

John Mc wrote:

Take the new computer back and demand a refund. If you think they may

give you problems, go when you know there will be a lot of customers

present and make your request in a loud, but polite, voice. Then find a

computer store that will sell you a computer with XP and one who will

provide you with a XP and drivers CD, not a restore disk or XP on a

hidden partition. Usually, small computer shops that build to order will

do this. Gateway, Dell et al, are sh¡t computers that come with hidden

partitions and all kinds of crap-ware bundled in with it.



Good luck!



Alias

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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:



LOL! And pigs fly, right?



Alias

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What is causing the requirement for 20 to 30 clicks to 'engage' with your

web browser? I have Windows Vista installed on 3 computers and all I do is

double click Internet Explorer icon on the desktop when I am surfing on any

of them, it opens Google.com as the default home page, if I want to go

somewhere I click in the address bar and type the desired URL, if I don't

want to leave a specific web page, I simply open a new Tab and type in a new

URL. What in that requires 20 to 30 clicks? I do understand you might be

required to download new or updated plug ins.



The only thing I can think of that could require so many clicks is if

someone was surfing sites that intentially try to force drive by downloads.

Sometimes the OEMs themselves install additional freeware or shareware

programs that install plug ins that can cause all kind of havoc.



Could you be a bit more specific on what the fixes are that required 15

hours of your time? What are the problems with Vista that are so many, is

user interface related, application compatibility, hardware compatibility?

We can't help you if you don't tell us whats really going on, that is what

these newsgroups are setup for, to help you fix the problems.



As for downgrading XP, since its an OEM copy of Windows Vista, the chance of

getting your licensed changed for Windows XP is really up to the OEM, not

Microsoft in this case. I would suggest you contact Gateway if your machine

is still under warranty about the possibility of this happening.

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Andre

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"John Mc" <JohnMc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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Alias,



Thanks for the advice. I purchased the computer directly from Gateway - it

is custom. Looks like I'm in for a battle. Microsoft seems to have such a

monoploy these days.



"Alias" wrote:

Microsoft has nothing to do with your problems. Its a name brand computer

built and manufactured by Gateway, they are the ones responsible for

configuring and testing the system before it was shipped to you. If there is

anybody to have issue with here it is most certainly Gateway.



You still have not even put into detail what type of problems you are having

with Vista on your Gateway.

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Andre

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My Vista Quickstart Guide:

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"John Mc" <JohnMc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:

Yeah, sure, it has Gateway's Vista on it. I didn't know that Gateway has

made their own Vista operating system. When did that happen?



Alias

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John Mc wrote:

I am not familiar with Gateway computers because here in Spain we don't

have them. Do they have Gateway stores or do they have to be bought on

line? If there is no brick and mortar store, you're right, you have a

battle on your hands and you can best believe that Microsoft won't help

you at all. What's worse, some of your hardware may only have Vista

drivers and won't work with XP.



Alias

I *think* that his point is that, based on licensing agreements between

Microsoft and the OEMs, Gateway has the responsibility for dealing with

customer's issues about OS and hardware. Microsoft provides support only on

retail copies of the OS.



"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com>wrote in message news:fl0mmq$nbu$1@aioe.org...

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Andre,



We have to click our internet browser multiple times, 20 to 30, to get the

internet to boot up; MS Word will suddenly close on us; other assorted

problems. We already attmpted to re-load from the systems disk shipped with

the computer. Still problems.



"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:

Not only that, Gateway knows what type of components they put into their

PCs, how is Microsoft suppose to know this?

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Andre

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"David" <dgprozzoLEAVE@bellsouthOUT.net>wrote in message



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This sounds like a problem for Gateway to really deal with.

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Andre

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"John Mc" <JohnMc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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David wrote:

Oh, I know all about the licensing scams that MS and OEMs have and how

it doesn't benefit the customer one iota.



Alias

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:

I guess pigs don't fly :-)



Alias

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Alias wrote:



Now you're a flying lying pig?

If the shoe fits....

Frank

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Alias wrote:



You're really stupid aren't you?

Frank

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David wrote:



alias is too fukkin stupid to figure that one out. Besides that, he's

just an as*hole lying linux troll.

Frank

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Frank wrote:

Not what I said but you twisting what people say seems to be some kind

of mental impairment of yours that you have no control over.



It doesn't and there's no reason to think from what I posted that it does.



Um, Frank, please try to keep up. Andre said he could help but when

presented with the problems, said he couldn't and for the OP to call

Gateway because Andre -- and you, for that matter -- haven't a clue as

to how to fix the OP's problems.



Alias

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Alias wrote:



You're a pig, can you fly?

Frank

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How would and idiot lying linux troll like you know anything at all

about MS or Gateway. You're just a free loading financially broke POS

as*hole loser.

Get lost and don't come back this time you jerk.

Frank

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Frank wrote:

No sense of humor, eh? Why am I not surprised?



Oh, it's because you're really stupid, of course!



Alias

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Alias wrote:



Then STFU about them you moron loser.



Do they have Gateway stores or do they have to be bought on

Hey dick head...it's an OEM computer.



What's worse, some of your hardware may only have Vista

STFU you stupid fool!

Frank





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Frank wrote:

Wrong. I know all about how the OEMs and MS work together to keep the MS

monopoly and how they don't care one iota for their paying customers.

You, OTOH, are stupid enough to think the licensing scams are normal.



Alias

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Frank wrote:

Let's see, I've used MS OSes since DOS?



I know enough to know that one should *never* buy a Gateway computer. Do

you think otherwise?



You're just a free loading financially broke POS

You're just a jerk who lies, writes in clichés and infantile profanity.



Alias, who isn't going anywhere which means, Frank, you are not a good

guard dog. You're more like a yapping Chihuahua.

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Frank wrote:

I have used MS since DOS?



< or Gateway.



I know enough to know one should *never* buy a Gateway computer. How

many have you bought?



You're just a free loading financially broke POS

You're a jerk who can only post lies, clichés and infantile profanity.



Alias, who isn't going anywhere so I guess you're not a good guard dog

for this ng. You're more like a yapping Chihuahua.

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Alias wrote:

Yeah, tells us all about flying pigs you linux lying idiot!

Frank

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Alias wrote:



Thanks for proving my point you moron.

Frank

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Frank wrote:

Yawn, one doesn't need to own something to know about it.



No sh¡t. Ergo, MS washes its hands even though Vista is crap.

No. You are not a guard dog. You're a little teeny weeny Chihuahua

that's all yap and no bite.



Alias

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Frank wrote:

You weren't expected to understand, being as your knowledge of

literature is quite limited and your sense of the ironic even more limited.



Alias

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Frank wrote:

LOL! As if.



Alias

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Alias wrote:

You only open your big lying mouth in order to change your feet.

Idiot!

Frank

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Alias wrote:



Then why did you open your big lying mouth in the first place mr liar?

Frank

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Alias wrote:



Ahahaha...bullsh*t! You're not a paying customer so you don't know sh*t

about MS mr liar.

Frank

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Alias wrote:



You're really not all that bright are you mr liar...LOL!

Frank

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Frank wrote:

I gave the OP a good, viable suggestion. All you've done is lie, insult,

bluster and reveal what a low life fool you are.



Alias

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Frank wrote:

First lie.



Second lie.



Third lie.



Oops.



Alias

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Gateway assembled the computer and sold the system.

Therefore Gateway is responsible that the system they sold functions

properly.



"I didn't know that Gateway has made..."

It is OEM and OEM is treated as if it is manufactured, sold and

supported by the OEM, Gateway in this case.

Other than updates and a few other exceptions, all support, if any,

comes from the OEM.



But then you already know that but CHOSE to ignore that when it does

not suit your anti Microsoft agenda.



--

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com>wrote in message

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John;

If you are continuing to have problems after a Clean Installation,

contact Gateway, something is wrong with their system.



Have you tried another mouse and keyboard?



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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

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"John Mc" <JohnMc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Yes, I already knew that and I also know why they do it.



Alias

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Alias wrote:





We all so enjoy watching you react like one of my little kennel Pavlov=20

dogs you little mutt!

Frank

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John Mc,





I have said many times that people react to vista just as you describe, yet

a few hardcore vista fans denies that people like you even exist...



I people that have a reaction like yours to vista is the overwhelming

majority,

they say they are either incompetent, or their hardware is not good

enough...





what do you say about this?





Give us your testimonial (I know that I am correct, im just asking you so

others can hear)







"John Mc" <John Mc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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Alias wrote:





You're a real POS as*hole lying linux loser.

Frank

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Alias wrote:



More lies?

Oops!

Liar!

Oops!

Frank

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Alias wrote:



That pigs can fly?

Oops!

You're just a POS lying linux loving as*hole loser.

We all know it.

Get lost you stupid jerk!

Frank

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What was your specific support incident number? =\



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"John Mc" <JohnMc@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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John Mc wrote:



And what has Gateway done to resolve these problems under the warranty?







Given by whom, precisely? I'd like the name of this charity.







How could we possibly know? Ask whichever charity provided the WinXP

licenses to your wife's employer.







What specific problems, and what has Gateway done to resolve these

problems under the warranty?





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John Mc wrote: