VISTA IS Screwed

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
blows.

I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

It does look better.

It does not crash as often.

MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

That is about it for the good list.

The bad........

Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
"security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
manager activities so badly?

Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Vista is slower than XP.

What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
is it. MS has become the dinosaur.

Windows Vista11

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
FYI.

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed What makes you think Server 2008 will satisfy his needs? Just FYI

<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
> FYI.
>
> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>> blows.
>>
>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>>
>> It does look better.
>>
>> It does not crash as often.
>>
>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>>
>> That is about it for the good list.
>>
>> The bad........
>>
>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>>
>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>> manager activities so badly?
>>
>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>>
>> Vista is slower than XP.
>>
>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>>
>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>>
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Go back to XP then. What OS you use is a choice. I have been using Vista
since the first day it was released to the public got Home Premium Full
Version And upgraded to Ultimate. I really like Vista. I was dual booting
with XP and last week I took it off my other hard drive. Why waste the drive
when I do not use XP anymore.
--
Quad Core

"EMail@HideDomain.com" wrote:

> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
> FYI.
>
> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> > I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> > back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> > blows.
> >
> > I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
> >
> > It does look better.
> >
> > It does not crash as often.
> >
> > MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> > view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> > and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
> >
> > That is about it for the good list.
> >
> > The bad........
> >
> > Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> > "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> > deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> > scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
> >
> > Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> > the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> > manager activities so badly?
> >
> > Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> > support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
> >
> > Vista is slower than XP.
> >
> > What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> > did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> > as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> > greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
> >
> > If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> > is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
> >
>
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed The Other Option I Mentioned Is Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW (Free
Ware), Just FYI.

"Mr. Vista" <Mr. EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
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> What makes you think Server 2008 will satisfy his needs? Just FYI
>
>
> <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
>> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
>> FYI.
>>
>> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
>> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>>> blows.
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>>>
>>> It does look better.
>>>
>>> It does not crash as often.
>>>
>>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>>> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
>>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>>>
>>> That is about it for the good list.
>>>
>>> The bad........
>>>
>>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>>> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
>>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>>>
>>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>>> manager activities so badly?
>>>
>>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>>>
>>> Vista is slower than XP.
>>>
>>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
>>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>>>
>>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>>> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>>>
>>
>
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed
thetruthhurts @homail.com;545112 Wrote:
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and goin
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product stil
> blows
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista
>
> It does look better
>
> It does not crash as often
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best A
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier
>
> That is about it for the good list
>
> The bad.......
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due t
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to b
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is prett
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long tha
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic fil
> manager activities so badly
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do no
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP
>
> Vista is slower than XP
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why M
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vist
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 i
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, thi
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur

I cannot believe you've been using Vista for nearly a year and th
problem you relate have not been resolved. You have obviously not ru
Windows Update, have you

I experienced the same issues in the early days of Vista, but Window
Update fixed all that. Some of my hardware didn't work at the start, bu
it was a few weeks after release that I started getting the driver fo
those devices

Service Pack 1 has improved on that even more

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Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed You are allowed to have an opinion. You are even allowed to go back to
Windows XP or an entirely different computer and operating system. You tried
Vista. You didn't like it. Many have tried Vista and "DO" like it. That is
what **choice** is all about.

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<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.

How did you last that long?
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

Everything, if you know how to get it running properly.
>
> It does look better.

Better than what?
>
> It does not crash as often.

So?
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative.

That doesn't mean it isn't more secure, does it?

Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

Then why did you bother to deal with Vista for more than a yr?
>
> That is about it for the good list.

You're not in control are you?
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin.

You're not in control are you?

Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

What kind of drugs are you doing?
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?

That was fixed a long time ago. You don't bother to do updates do you?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Like which apps?
>
> Vista is slower than XP.

On the same hardware in some instances? Yep!
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3.

Oh...so you've based your opinion on beta releases? You are stupid
aren't you.

Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

Hummm...now you've lost all creditability. You're an "asshat" aren't you.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it.

It did. It's called Vista. Do you have a legal copy?

MS has become the dinosaur.

Your story has become boring.
By any chance are you related to capin' crunch?
Frank
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed
<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

I gave Vista a good try out for three months...then got rid of it
(but have decided to re-test it)

Anyway...since I always adjust all of my systems to "best performance"
My Vista, XP and Win2k systems all look pretty much identical.

Since I use removable drives I can test OS performace on the same H/W and
agree
that no matter how I tweak Vista...eveything runs slower than when using
Win2k or XP.
I did one test install of XP_SP3 and found the machine runs almost as fast
as the Win2k installation.

As to stability. Since I don't have any "crash" issues at all with XP...
I could not say that Vista is more stable than XP...I'd have to say they are
both the same.

But whether or not I agree with you on all points...
I am still puzzled as to why Vista does in fact take so long to perform
simple file transfers.
I think I will wait until SP1 is officially relased for Vista...then give it
one more try before I pass
my "final judgement"...But for now I plan not to use Vista for anything
other than just plain testing it.

Though it does not have any features that I am likely to need...I do admit
that some of the new features
are good ones

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed The more I use Vista the more issues I have with it. This reminds me
of Windows ME. Microsoft puts a lot of visual effects into their
product to sell it and (as promised) added a lot of security. Unlike
Linux, the security can be annoying. Vista's networking schemes is a
bomb. I should have listened more carefully to users before buying a
Vista PC. Currently there is much better support for XP but Vista
support is (very) slowing improving. My boss hates both Vista and
refuses anything dot-net.

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Retards like you are just a hoot.

Vista despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being
embraced by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think
all the negative press is a series of lies.

Vista does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security,
and app compatability. They have been reported in the press and
numerous times in this forum. Villiage idiots like you imply the end
user is stupid. Look in the mirror.

I have installed every update, some hot fixes that I was able to
obtain and the problems still exist.

Yes RC SP1 is still "beta", but it would be highly unusual for MS to
make significant changes to a RC build. I kept Vista hoping that SP1
would fix a lot of things, but it hasn't.

Ads like the anti-Vista series by Apple only work if there is basis of
truth in them.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:27:34 -0800, Frank <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>> blows.
>
>How did you last that long?
>>
>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
>Everything, if you know how to get it running properly.
>>
>> It does look better.
>
>Better than what?
>>
>> It does not crash as often.
>
>So?
>>
>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>> view the new "security" as a big negative.
>
>That doesn't mean it isn't more secure, does it?
>
> Hell I can buy the best AV
>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
>Then why did you bother to deal with Vista for more than a yr?
>>
>> That is about it for the good list.
>
>You're not in control are you?
>>
>> The bad........
>>
>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>> "security" even if you are a admin.
>
>You're not in control are you?
>
> Sometimes they appear to be
>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
>What kind of drugs are you doing?
>>
>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>> manager activities so badly?
>
>That was fixed a long time ago. You don't bother to do updates do you?
>>
>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
>Like which apps?
>>
>> Vista is slower than XP.
>
>On the same hardware in some instances? Yep!
>>
>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3.
>
>Oh...so you've based your opinion on beta releases? You are stupid
>aren't you.
>
> Not sure why MS
>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
>Hummm...now you've lost all creditability. You're an "asshat" aren't you.
>>
>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>> is it.
>
>It did. It's called Vista. Do you have a legal copy?
>
> MS has become the dinosaur.
>
>Your story has become boring.
>By any chance are you related to capin' crunch?
>Frank
>>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Some years ago...

"XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the negative
press is a series of lies.

XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times in
this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid. Look in
the mirror."

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Retards like you are just a hoot.
>
> Vista despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being
> embraced by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think
> all the negative press is a series of lies.
>
> Vista does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security,
> and app compatability. They have been reported in the press and
> numerous times in this forum. Villiage idiots like you imply the end
> user is stupid. Look in the mirror.
>
> I have installed every update, some hot fixes that I was able to
> obtain and the problems still exist.
>
> Yes RC SP1 is still "beta", but it would be highly unusual for MS to
> make significant changes to a RC build. I kept Vista hoping that SP1
> would fix a lot of things, but it hasn't.
>
> Ads like the anti-Vista series by Apple only work if there is basis of
> truth in them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:27:34 -0800, Frank <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>>thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
>>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>>> blows.
>>
>>How did you last that long?
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>>
>>Everything, if you know how to get it running properly.
>>>
>>> It does look better.
>>
>>Better than what?
>>>
>>> It does not crash as often.
>>
>>So?
>>>
>>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>>> view the new "security" as a big negative.
>>
>>That doesn't mean it isn't more secure, does it?
>>
>> Hell I can buy the best AV
>>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>>
>>Then why did you bother to deal with Vista for more than a yr?
>>>
>>> That is about it for the good list.
>>
>>You're not in control are you?
>>>
>>> The bad........
>>>
>>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>>> "security" even if you are a admin.
>>
>>You're not in control are you?
>>
>> Sometimes they appear to be
>>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>>
>>What kind of drugs are you doing?
>>>
>>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>>> manager activities so badly?
>>
>>That was fixed a long time ago. You don't bother to do updates do you?
>>>
>>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>>
>>Like which apps?
>>>
>>> Vista is slower than XP.
>>
>>On the same hardware in some instances? Yep!
>>>
>>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3.
>>
>>Oh...so you've based your opinion on beta releases? You are stupid
>>aren't you.
>>
>> Not sure why MS
>>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>>
>>Hummm...now you've lost all creditability. You're an "asshat" aren't you.
>>>
>>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>>> is it.
>>
>>It did. It's called Vista. Do you have a legal copy?
>>
>> MS has become the dinosaur.
>>
>>Your story has become boring.
>>By any chance are you related to capin' crunch?
>>Frank
>>>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Wrongo just a lame attempt at revising history.

XP percentage wise was installed at a much higher rate. PC vendors
did not back track and offer a prior version of Windows on new PCs.
That one fact is very telling.

XP did not have basic file mgmt issues at all and SP1 for XP was
huge.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:43:03 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>Some years ago...
>
>"XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
>corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the negative
>press is a series of lies.
>
>XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
>compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times in
>this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid. Look in
>the mirror."

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Some years ago...
>
> "XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced
> by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the
> negative press is a series of lies.
>
> XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
> compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times
> in this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid.
> Look in the mirror."
>
>

How many Dell computers or other major computer manufacturers came with
either Me or 2000 preinstalled after XP came out?

Personally, I waited until XP's SP1 came out before I switched from W2K.

Alias

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Revising history? LOL..

Where were you when XP was released? XP wasn't accepted too well until SP2
and, even after that, many had problems with it. Software and hardware
incompatibilities were the order of the day, and I was saying the same
things to people. I was also a victim at the time, having to upgrade
software and hardware in a bid to get a complete working, useful system.

The only reason that we didn't hear about some wanting to return to Win 98
and 2000 was because users, five or six years ago, were less aware of public
channels where they could air their grievances.

Business is always slow taking up new things because they have $$$$$
invested in older technology that they know works, and for the most part
will not let them down. So no change there, eh..

When I changed from XP to Vista, the only problems I had was with CD burning
and a couple of silly programs that did run but with peculiarities. It was a
far better picture than I had with XP initially.

Instead of quoting the FUD of others, how about you tell us what your
personal issues with Vista are, and we will see if we can fix them for you..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Wrongo just a lame attempt at revising history.
>
> XP percentage wise was installed at a much higher rate. PC vendors
> did not back track and offer a prior version of Windows on new PCs.
> That one fact is very telling.
>
> XP did not have basic file mgmt issues at all and SP1 for XP was
> huge.
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:43:03 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"
> <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>>Some years ago...
>>
>>"XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
>>corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the negative
>>press is a series of lies.
>>
>>XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
>>compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times in
>>this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid. Look
>>in
>>the mirror."

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed I have no idea what the situation was with Dell. I worked for IBM at the
time..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

"Alias" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message news:fk0ue0$1us$EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Some years ago...
>>
>> "XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
>> corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the
>> negative press is a series of lies.
>>
>> XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
>> compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times
>> in this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid.
>> Look in the mirror."
>>
>>
>
> How many Dell computers or other major computer manufacturers came with
> either Me or 2000 preinstalled after XP came out?
>
> Personally, I waited until XP's SP1 came out before I switched from W2K.
>
> Alias

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed That's nice.

Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
option to buy PCs with the old MS OS. They are still shipping XP
today.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:58:14 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>I have no idea what the situation was with Dell. I worked for IBM at the
>time..

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed You sure are. You say Xp wasn't accepted too well until after SP2, I
say bull. Corporations installed it in droves before, but especially
after SP1. Corporate depolyment of Vista to date is pathetic.

Since you don't believe me, how about Computerworld? It took me about
30 secs to find this. In particular pay attention to the part I've
arrowed for you.

"IT execs still close doors on Vista, despite update" "Vista adds a
lot of overhead and not much benefit. Honestly, we don't see the
value-add," said the CIO"

"He added that his reluctance to move to Vista is out of character,
given that the bank uses Microsoft software across the board and he
has a personal history as an early adopter of Windows releases.

--->>>>>>>>>>For example, he moved to Windows 2000 and Windows XP when
they were first released to manufacturing. <<<<<<<<<<<---

But even after Windows Vista SP1 becomes available, he expects to roll
out the software to only a few developers and other users within IT.
"We will probably go to Vista eventually, but we will take our time
about it," the CIO said. "

"There are still a lot of things that need to be in Vista for the OS
to really take hold," said Gartner analyst Stephen Kleynhans. He was
referring partly to Microsoft's need to resolve Vista's
well-publicized problems with device and software compatibility. "

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:28:07 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>Revising history? LOL..
>
>Where were you when XP was released? XP wasn't accepted too well until SP2
>and, even after that, many had problems with it. Software and hardware
>incompatibilities were the order of the day, and I was saying the same
>things to people. I was also a victim at the time, having to upgrade
>software and hardware in a bid to get a complete working, useful system.
>
>The only reason that we didn't hear about some wanting to return to Win 98
>and 2000 was because users, five or six years ago, were less aware of public
>channels where they could air their grievances.
>
>Business is always slow taking up new things because they have $$$$$
>invested in older technology that they know works, and for the most part
>will not let them down. So no change there, eh..
>
>When I changed from XP to Vista, the only problems I had was with CD burning
>and a couple of silly programs that did run but with peculiarities. It was a
>far better picture than I had with XP initially.
>
>Instead of quoting the FUD of others, how about you tell us what your
>personal issues with Vista are, and we will see if we can fix them for you..

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
> That's nice.
>
> Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.

You must be a newbie!

They are still shipping XP
> today.

You must be a newbie.
Frank

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Frank wrote:
> thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
>> That's nice.
>> Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
>> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
>> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.
>
> You must be a newbie!
>
> They are still shipping XP
>> today.
>
> You must be a newbie.
> Frank

There you go again, Frank, insulting the messenger in a lame attempt to
discredit the message which, as usual, you don't address.

Alias

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That's nice. Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the
>>> history of MS that
>>> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
>>> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.
>>
>>
>> You must be a newbie!
>>
>> They are still shipping XP
>>
>>> today.
>>
>>
>> You must be a newbie.
>> Frank
>
>
> There you go again, Frank, insulting the messenger in a lame attempt to
> discredit the message which, as usual, you don't address.
>
> Alias

Translation: alias can't understand what is being discussed so he
insults, blusters and lies...nothing new.
Frank

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed >I worked for IBM at the time..

Ha, no wonder!

"Mike Hall - MVP" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:%EMail@HideDomain.com...
>I have no idea what the situation was with Dell. I worked for IBM at the
>time..
>
> --
> Mike Hall - MVP
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
> "Alias" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:fk0ue0$1us$EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> Some years ago...
>>>
>>> "XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced
>>> by corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the
>>> negative press is a series of lies.
>>>
>>> XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
>>> compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times
>>> in this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid.
>>> Look in the mirror."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How many Dell computers or other major computer manufacturers came with
>> either Me or 2000 preinstalled after XP came out?
>>
>> Personally, I waited until XP's SP1 came out before I switched from W2K.
>>
>> Alias
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:

> "IT execs still close doors on Vista, despite update" "Vista adds a
> lot of overhead and not much benefit. Honestly, we don't see the
> value-add," said the CIO"

Right, it is the value add that is the problem I think. It's not so much
what Vista can and cannot do, it is more to do with what the users
"Need" to do, and there's almost nothing XP cannot do, so it was bound
to be an uphill struggle. Not only does this limit the value add but
there's also the extra costs for new hardware and possible software. My
own company is not big, couple of hundred PCs at most I think, but there
is nothing at all, not one single thing where Vista would be better than
XP. If MS actually make XP unusable then it won't be vista that's
adopted it will be something that will run on the existing hardware, and
most Linux will easily do it.

Microsoft are between a rock and a hard place somewhat, I truly would
not be able to judge their best course of action, but I fear that
annoying people with junk like WGA / WPA is exactly their worst course
of action. I "Feel" like I'm being pushed away, and nobody likes to feel
that way. Sure that is just me, but how many others?

As I posted someplace last night, if MS would rather casual theft does
not take place fine, but if we all install genuine Ubuntu instead of a
"Borrowed" XP that we were never going to buy anyhow where does this
improve MS's bottom line? Seems to me like some theft is payed for by
advertising, now there's no theft but more and more will see that Linux
is perfectly usable for a great many tasks. May as well put Apple's logo
on the Vista workbench. When you consider the numbers of machines out
there Microsoft could be advertising Ubuntu on more desktops than there
are Apples out there to advertise their own.

This doesn't sound like Bill Gates' decision to me, maybe it is but if
so I have to wonder about him :) I think it will become a deadly
barrier to Vista adoption and in the end lose money, not save any.

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Noel wrote:
> Go back to XP then. What OS you use is a choice. I have been using Vista
> since the first day it was released to the public got Home Premium Full
> Version And upgraded to Ultimate. I really like Vista. I was dual booting
> with XP and last week I took it off my other hard drive. Why waste the drive
> when I do not use XP anymore.

Well said.

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
> Wrongo just a lame attempt at revising history.
>
> XP percentage wise was installed at a much higher rate. PC vendors
> did not back track and offer a prior version of Windows on new PCs.
> That one fact is very telling.
>
> XP did not have basic file mgmt issues at all and SP1 for XP was
> huge.
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:43:03 -0500, "Mike Hall - MVP"
> <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>
>> Some years ago...
>>
>> "XP despite being the defacto OS sold on new PCs is not being embraced by
>> corporate or home users. That is fact. Unless you think all the negative
>> press is a series of lies.
>>
>> XP does have serious problems, primarily in file mgmt, security, and app
>> compatibility. They have been reported in the press and numerous times in
>> this forum. Village idiots like you imply the end user is stupid. Look in
>> the mirror."

Could you link us to your so-called source of information?

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed I agree. It is definitely time for something new. I'm just plain bored with
Windows and Leopard. Something new and totally different is needed.
Barb

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed
thetruthhurts @homail.com;545842 Wrote:
> That's nice.
>
> Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS. They are still shipping XP
> today.

Just because PC vendors are still supplying computers with XP doesn't
make Vista a bad OS. All the he hardware vendors are doing is getting
rid of all the old stock, like any good business would do.

Scenario:

You are running a business, and you purchase thousands of stock items
for product "A". Several week later, before you have a chance to sell
all of your stock, product "B" gets released. Are you going to just
throw product "A" out the door in favour of product "B", or are you
going to continue selling product "A" until you have no more stock and
then start selling product "B", or will you proceed to sell both product
"A" and product "B"?

PC Vendors continue selling XP alongside Vista because they do no want
to lose money they already have invested in their existing XP stock!
Thats a common business practice.

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Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed dzomlija wrote:
> thetruthhurts @homail.com;545842 Wrote:
>> That's nice.
>>
>> Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
>> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
>> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS. They are still shipping XP
>> today.
>
>
> Just because PC vendors are still supplying computers with XP doesn't
> make Vista a bad OS. All the he hardware vendors are doing is getting
> rid of all the old stock, like any good business would do.

Um, Microsoft extended purchases of NEW copies of XP until May of next
year. It is not old stock. Oops.

Snip fantasy scenario.

Alias

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed
On 16-Dec-2007, Alias <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
> >> Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the history of MS that
> >> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
> >> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.

Let's face it the subject line is wrong, it's us that are being screwed.

Windows Vista >> VISTA IS Screwed Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's nice. Bottom line, Vista is the first desktop OS in the
>>>> history of MS that
>>>> was so unaccepted that major PC vendors felt the need to provide the
>>>> option to buy PCs with the old MS OS.
>>>
>>>
>>> You must be a newbie!
>>>
>>> They are still shipping XP
>>>
>>>> today.
>>>
>>>
>>> You must be a newbie.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> There you go again, Frank, insulting the messenger in a lame attempt
>> to discredit the message which, as usual, you don't address.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Translation: alias can't understand what is being discussed so he
> insults, blusters and lies...nothing new.
> Frank

Typical Frank tactic: projection. Too bad everyone sees through this
amateur tactic except, of course, Frank himself. Frank thinks he's being
slick and cute.

Alias