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Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM? Are

You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack One

Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open

Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. www.ubuntu.com/


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"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release BETA

version of a service pack ?

[what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include you

on the technical beta program?]



Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage people

who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an issue with

heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS that may not be

compatible with their current hardware and of course will not run any of

their current applications they have invested in and is not really suitable

for an average end user in terms of quality of support available.



Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a simple

emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all the help

from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an earlier version

that do not rectify the problem.

Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end

users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the

Linux community)

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Mike Brannigan



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Although I am still using ubunut 7.04, I can agree that it/linux is

now a very user friendly operation system. In some ways Ubuntu is

actually more user friendly than Vista. I personally still have some

issues, such as not being able to install Jalbum due to not having

Sun's java, but i know that with a bit more work i can soon get that

fixed. Linux rocks,



Cheers



Jon.



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Works Fine For Me, Just FYI.



On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:15:42 -0500, Mike Brannigan

<Mike.Brannigan@localhost>wrote:







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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:



With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that

Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor

will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs

perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.



Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy

here.



You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should give much

better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past under

VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be able to

receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox are used

far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one platform.



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I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor

actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but the

essence is below:



On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6. Add

i8042.noloop to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make

the mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.



When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will

be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to make

it display correctly. To do that:

Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.

Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.

Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that

says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.

Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.

Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.

Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will still

not be right.

Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be

good to go now.



Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is

complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was for

me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse won't

work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to add a

kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:

Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.

Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.

Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.

Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.

The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the

information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts

with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type

i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.

At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the

recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL X

to exit nano.

Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.







Stephan Rose wrote:

What a crock. The right wing wacko is an Ubuntu fanatic. Just FYI.



"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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Perhaps You Are Correct Mike, Open Source Linux Does Not Fit my Needs,

Therefore I Here By Announce That As Of 23 And A Quarter Hundred Hours On

October The 30th, 2007, I Have Indeed Returned 64 Bit Version Of The

Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just FYI.

Spooky :-)



Attention Windows Vista Naysayer's: If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll

Love The Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just

FYI.



"kevpan815" wrote:

"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a Windows CD

or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the so called user

friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have to jump through hoops

to just to get it to install.

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Mike Brannigan



"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com>wrote in message

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I think this is what happens when PCs have proliferated our society and now

people living with certain brain "conditions" are allowed by the hospital

staff to use the computer.



I am by no means a Windows or Vista fan, but to suggest Linux is laughable

at best. The day the Linux fanboys ever quit obsessing about their hatred

towards Micrsoft and actually sit down and start to code and improve what is

now still a horrid desktop, maybe then it should be considered. But even

Ubuntu is years away.





"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

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I agree that it's not quite ready for prime time, but I'd hardly use its

ability to install under VirtualPC as a justification. In fact, if

anything, I'd point to the problem being one of VirtualPC's making.

IAC - I merely pointed out the necessary actions.



Mike Brannigan wrote:

<kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com>wrote in message

Rubbish you still can't post without the stupid capitals so Ubuntu is

obviously broken.





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"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

You haven't worked out that changing your newsreader headers isn't enough to

fool us into thinking you are/were running linux.

You missed something.



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"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

I am amazed that you can even figure out how to boot up your PC with Ubuntu

on it. Just FYI.







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Stephan Rose wrote:



Just FYI I have installed VirtualBox on a few machines using Debian and

Ubuntu (Feisty and GG) and it plays host to Vista and XP very well, in

fact Vista boots far faster - but of course the GFX are limited in Vista

and XP with limited acceleration. OTOH with one of each running on 2

sides if a 6 sided "Cube" and no real effect on the host you can update

all 3 at the same time and carry on working with Eclipse so there goes

your excuse for a coffee break :)

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Mike Brannigan wrote:

Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and ubuntu 7

on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04. In both

Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with Vista, it did

not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista compatible linksys

1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine setup and bridged

networking used for all machines).



The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are defective.



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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:19:44 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:



Oh give me a break. Read my post. Use a non-microsoft virtual machine and

you have absolutely NO HOOPS to jump through.



Quite honestly, I am not surprised that Microsoft's Virtual PC has

problems with non-microsoft operating systems. Even if this is not

intentional by microsoft, I am quite sure they are in absolutely no hurry

to fix it...



And yes, when 2 out of 3 products *don't* have a given problem then as

far as I am concerned, the problem lies with the product that doesn't

work correctly. In this case, VirtualBox and VMWare VS MS Virtual PC.



And no, I highly doubt that Ubuntu developers are concerned with

compatibility to MS' virtual machine. They are more worried about

compatibility with important stuff such as real hardware.



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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:52:15 +0000, jonbey wrote:



Huh? Not having Sun's Java??



Umm, go to your package manager, (Synaptic or Adept depending if you're

using Ubuntu or Kubuntu) and then go install sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-

plugin and there you go! Sun Java VM.



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"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net>wrote in message

I installed a beer dispenser on top of my Ubuntu box so whenever I thought

it would be cool to use Ubuntu, I would drink. Then it didn't matter what I

did on the Ubuntu box, cause nothing works with Ubuntu anyway. Just FYI.

For real work, I got sober then I booted my Windows box. Works like a charm

every time. Just FYI. OTOH, if I were a former USPS employee, Just FYI, I

wouldn't be able to do anything. Just FYI.







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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:



Methinks something changed between the time MS sent the specifications

to net card manufacturers to make drivers with and the time that Vista

actually rolled out :)

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Charlie Tame wrote:

Could be, but All of this I have run into with vista and drivers is with

vista business RTM, which means vista was already 'rolled out'. Did you

see the run around I'm having trying to get a vista compatible nic

driver? So far my experience with OSes recently is that XP is great as

far as devices and drivers, Linux is a close second, and vista is still

a cluster fsck at this time.



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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:



Well Linksys have something like 3 hardware revisions and I purchased 2

cards that "Should" have been compatible but the drivers didn't work, a

third card works fine with both V32 and V64. The other cards all work

with V32 AND XP64.



What is happening is that UAC won't let some Aegis ? component run but

it does NOT tell you this, so the thing just hangs never installing. In

the end I went back to Compusa to tell them what worked and what didn't,

whether they listened or not I don't know but it was pretty obvious

they'd had enough of inexplicable complaints :)

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Charlie Tame wrote:

OIC. I plan to go back to Staples (which is where I purchased this

linksys card months ago) and give them feedback too. Thanks for the

info. Do you think it will work if I disable UAC?



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"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on

free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the

creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer

rights in the digital age are not frivolous."

- Maura Corbett

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