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I thought I would blabber a bit... This is for the people who like to ask

questions.. and have a curious mind... :-)



Moore claimed recently that CPU power will reach a barrier in 10-15 years.

Many of you may be aware of "moores law" that he had stated that every 24

months the power of CPU's (the amount of calculations they would be able to

do) would double.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

This barrier Moore says now, would be true if we continue our path in this

direction of technology, which are microchips.

The problems arise are clearly about physics. Transistors are in fact made

of matter, thus atoms,

and through them passes the electric signal that is electromagnetic energy

with the speed of C (light speed). Pushing these chips to go faster produces

more heat, thus we have reached a speed limit of modern CPU at around 5 GHz

and even that is with super cooling.

Many talk about molecular computers or even quantum computers, that seem

very interesting...



But there is another way, the way nature works. If one studies the brain you

will see that it gets its processing power out of slow components (nerve

cells) that however have many connections with each other. Each neuron has

thousands of connections (called dendrites) with others, and all these

together form a "web" or vast cluster.

The number of "possible" connections of these neurons, in each human brain

is more than all the atoms of all the matter in the whole universe. This is

of course the number of POSSIBLE connections and not the true number of

connections in any given time. This is because the brain is not static,

rather it has "brain plasticity" the ability to adapt and learn and change

in real time.



It is my opinion that the new era of computers must follow the structure of

the brain if they want to achieve more processing power. And indeed piece of

the human brain the size of a dime, has more processing power than all the

computers in the world put together.



You may ask if so much power is in one brain why are some people so

stupid?..I believe differetly. Each person has infinite POTENTIAL. The

reason why this is not unleashed is a different matter. Why? The answer to

this is not simple and I wont get into that now.. because we are talking

about computers here not humans.



There is another problem here though... what software would be able to

handle this new hardware even if we had it? It will not be a digital

computer.. rather it would be a combination of digital and analog

computer... and this is so new that its hard for people to write code that

would be able to put these neuron nets into function.

There is good news. Single chip CPU are things of the past now. We have 4

core CPU now, and Intel has predicted that in 5 years we will have more than

200 cpu per chip.

The OS's and programs are NOT built to handle multi CPU very well. In fact

Vista stinks at it big time. Linux is far better .. MS knows this and is

working on this problem because its in our near future.



So the next generation of programs and OS will be able to handle multi core

CPU better, and that's much like having many nerve cells as cluster in a

small electronic brain. Its a start.



A new generation of robotic scientists now claim that we will have robots

and AI (artificial intelligent computers) that will be comparable to humans

in only 20 years.

I think this is obtainable. Computing power will be infinite very soon....

but it will need some out of the box thinking.



What would this new type of computers be like?



There is a way... for infinity in everything. Infinite bandwidth, processing

power, memory storage, and energy. I believe that it is within the abilty

for humans to reach infinity.



Are you flexible enough to imagine how this would be possible? I know it is

possible.. im just fathoming its ramifications.


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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message



All that typing ... yet nothing got said.



Tiberius, you a politician ? or a teacher ?



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you are an imposter of yourself...



another clue that shows this.. is that you 2 always post simutainiously...

You both are doris..



For example if you doris posts as On the Bridge (the theoretically real one)

at 2

pm your other enemy doris as On the Bridge fake or spanky shows up right

after you

do..



You can see that there is no lag between the first poster and the fake

one... if there was that would show that you are really 2 different people

but you are not. 2 people cant be online all the time ...



I have not seen a post from one of you idiots and not a reply from the other

idiot



thus you are only one and the same BIG idiot





"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message

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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:14:48 -0500

"forty-nine" <110001@49.xyz>wrote:



Oh you need a brain to do that.



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"vistamagic" <vista@magic.wol>wrote in message



I thought nothing about it.

It was quite dull.

Whatever happens with 'puters, will happen.

Its just a tool.

Though, regardless of the technology ... the dweebs developing it will no

doubt miss tons of bugs ... simple current technology barely works.



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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message



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you dont understand. Computers will become smarter than humans in our

lifetime.



ok.. computers are already smarter than you.. but Im talking about normal

humans here.



"forty-nine" <110001@49.xyz>wrote in message news:fpdel0$lda$1@aioe.org...

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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message

Yes, and Rocks will become smarter than "On the Bridge" within weeks







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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message

Wrong.

I am smarter.

Years ago, we had a house fire....I got out.

PC got melted.



Yeah, real smart computer



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I like to read a bit of blabber. Then again, I occasionally watch soaps.

Unless one does indeed *consider* the brain to be a quantum computer, this

particular chunk of blabber is self-evidently nonsense (even without the

proviso). Then again, why do I take the time to respond?



"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message

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when did I say that the brain is a quantum computer?

Yes, Its better to not respond..



first try to comprehend what you are reading.



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"GregA" <greg@ansen.info>wrote in message



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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message



And that number is what, fatmouth?





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I dont like your attitude and normaly I should not respond.. but anyway....



The reference to the text below is>Discovering the Capacity of Human

Memory, Wang, et al, 2003, Brain and Mind, vol 4, no 2, p. 189-198.



Estimates of # neurons vary from about 100 to 500 billion. The average

number of synapses per neuron vary from about 3,000 to 7,000. Each possible

pathway from any synapse to any other synapse in the brain constitutes a

potential unique memory element. The formula for calculating this is

simple -- just calculate the number of combinations. We'll conservatively

assume 100 billion neurons of 3,000 synapses each:



connection possibilities (unique pathways) = n! / m! * (n - m)!, where

n = number of neurons

m = average # of connections between neurons



= 10^11! / 3000! * (10^11 - 3000)!



It takes a special program to calculate such large factorials, but the

result is 10^8432.



Note:



the immense number called googol is only 10^100 which is a miniscule amount

compared to 10^8432



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And get yourself free







"Guru" <running@interference.nit>wrote in message



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Actually, what you heard IS correct, but only if you insert the word

"potential" into that sentence. There are actually approximately 3.75 x

10^1,056,570,551,815 possible unique connections for 100 billion neurons.

However, the human brain is thought to contain more than 100 billion

neurons. This outnumbers the number of atoms in the known universe

(estimated anywhere from 10^77 to 10^88 atoms, depends on who you ask) by at

least 10 billion orders of magnitude, which means that there are 1.06 x

10^12 times more possible unique connections in a human brain than atoms in

the universe. The way you arrive at that muligoogolplex of a number is by

using factorial notation.

For example say we only had 10 neurons, how many unique connections can we

make? Well, rather than just counting up the number of possible connections

(10+9+8+...+1) you need to treat each pathway as a variable and find the

number of unique ways to connected every point to everyother point. For

example the signal can travel from neuron 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 or

1-3-2-4-5-6-7-9-10..etc

To calculate the number of unique pathways, you need to use (n-1)! So, with

ten neurons you have (10-1)! = 10! = 10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 3,628,800. When

you use this standard formula to finding the number of possible permutations

for connections of neurons in our brains you end up with almost

uncalculatable numbers. For instance

1! = 1

10! = 3,628,800

100! = 9.33 x 10^157

1000! = 4.02 x 10^2,567

.....

10,000,000,000! = approx. 2.33 x 10^95,657,055,186

100,000,000,000! = approx. 3.75 x 10^1,056,570,551,815



That number is so large it is for all intents and purposes, infinity.

I ve done this calculation using approximation software which uses the

Stirling approximation function. It uses a logarithmic version of the

classical iterative method of factorial notation (n-1)! used for smaller n

values. The Stirling approximation is desribed as follows: n! ~ n^n x

10^(-n) sqrt(2*pi*n)(1 + 1/(12n))



Well, there you go. i hope that clears up the seemingly paradoxical

question! We have remarkable brains. The most complex machine in the

universe is sitting in between your ears.



via www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php >www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php



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Get a New Mac , Jack

Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy

Just get yourself free

Boot from a *nix, Jix

You don't need to discuss much

Install XP, Lee

And get yourself free







"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message



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"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com>wrote in message



Two posts and how many kilobytes of typing? Were you mistakenly assuming

someone would care to read your tripe?





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