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I have been reading this newsgroup for several months now and it appears

that Vista seems to work very well for some and not for others. What I

haven't been able to determine is just how bad /good is Vista. Are the

people that are having problems making the most noise? Are the people that

are not having problems just not saying anything?



I remembered that Newegg.com lets people post reviews about the products

they purchase on their web site. For a non-bias opinion I went to Newegg's

site and read some reviews people posted on the Vista operating systems.

Here is one example posted for OEM 32 bit Vista Home Premium. I chose this

product because it had the most reviews (477) posted. The other versions of

Vista were very similar to Home Premium.



Excellent/Good - 71%

Average - 12%

Poor/Very Poor - 17%



There you have it. Draw your own conclusions. Too bad Newegg doesn't sell

Ubuntu. :-)


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read my post above yours...



No .. vista is not magic...





"Charlie" <Charlie@nowhere.com>wrote in message



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Well, damn, here we go again...the start of another flame war!



Why are you asking such a silly question anyway? You are asking for people's

OPINIONS. Some like Vista; some don't. Some, like myself, have had only very

minor problems; some have had very serious problems. Some solutions are very

simple: some are not.



Why don't you just read the posts to see what problems and solutions might apply

to you?



All you are doing is contributing to the useless noise in this newsgroup and

giving the lintrolls another excuse for spewing insults and useless OPINIONS.





I Bleed Blue and Gold

GO BEARS!





"Charlie" <Charlie@nowhere.com>wrote in message



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Charlie wrote:



While not perfect (no software product is), Vista works very well on

fully compatible hardware and with only fully compatible applications

installed.







Not entirely, as no software product in existence is 100% flawless.

Some people (a very small percentage of Vista's installation base) have

experienced real problems.



And many of the problems are self-inflicted by people who ....



*1)* ... Rushed out to buy the newest and shiniest OS without taking a

few minutes to determine:



a. If they really needed a new operating system,



b. If the new operating system would or could meet their computing

needs and desires,



c. If their existing hardware was adequate to meet the new OS'

requirements,



d. If the manufacturers of their PC's components and/or peripherals

(printers, scanners, cameras, etc.) had provided new, Vista-specific

device drivers and/or software to use with their products,



e. And whether or not all of the 3rd party applications that they

already owned were Vista-compatible, or could be made so be a patch or

update from each programs' respective manufacturer.



*2)* ... Encountered a steeper than expected learning curve. Vista is

different from earlier versions of Windows, and learning those

differences takes time and effort.



*3)* ... Harbor a simple, old-fashioned (but all too common) fear of

change.



However, most of the "noise" in this newsgroup is just that: noise.

There is a very vocal anti-Microsoft and anti-Vista cadre of trolls who

spout a great deal of venom, but apparently have little or no real

experience with either computers in general, or Vista in particular,

based upon some of the nonsense they spout. These pathetic individuals

seem to derive a considerable amount of pleasure from simply disrupting

newsgroups for no other purpose than to sow discord. They have no

interest in helping anyone and are doing their best to make it difficult

for those who honestly seek help to filter the chaff from the wheat, so

to speak.





That's exactly it. Do you spontaneously call your doctor to let him

know that you're feeling fine? Do you spontaneously call an auto

mechanic to tell him that your car is working as advertised? This

newsgroup exists for the purpose of helping people resolve problems with

Vista, so almost all of the legitimate posts you'll see are reporting

problems. In a manner of speaking, this is the complaint department;

one would expect to see very little else in this newsgroup. (Just as

one would expect to see mostly sick or injured people in a hospital.

That doesn't mean that everyone in the local area is sick or injured.)



Every once in a while, you'll see someone post a message saying that

they have no problems, and that Vista is wonderful. When these posts

are in response to the trolls' FUD, they're probably sincere and

well-intended, although they do serve the trolls' insatiable desire for

attention. When someone spontaneously submits a post extolling Vista's

virtues, however, we have a different sort of troll, one who's baiting

the anti-Vista trolls.







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Extremely well said, Bruce.



Chris S.



"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t>wrote in message

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:27:44 -0400, "Charlie" <Charlie@nowhere.com>

wrote:



That's a fair, unbiased observation.



It is long established fact that those not having problems rarely

comment in newsgroups or forums just like people don't visit their

doctor just to stop by and say Hi Doc, I'm feeling fine, thought you

would like to know. It is also established for every poster

complaining that works out to roughly 100 others having the same or

similar problem that don't bother to report it. This newsgroup is a

lot of things, but to attempt to use it as a yardstick for how people

feel about Vista or their experience with it is foolish. Most people

using Vista never heard of this newsgroup or other newsgroups for that

matter.



Today's computer and it's hardware and software combination can have

almost infinite variations. Accordingly some, especially those that

hardly use their computer or never get beyond simple tasks like

reading email, surfing the web or doing some trivial tasks like typing

something in a word processor or entering a few figures in a

spreadsheet are hardly qualified to rank a operating system or any

particular system configuration because for starters they don't know

what to look for to know if it is as good as it should be. The often

repeated slow file transfer issue, a KNOWN bug Microsoft admits to is

a classic example. Some people may wonder why it takes so long to copy

move files, but not having anything else to compare it to just blow it

off as normal behavior while someone more experienced KNOWS Vista

sucks at file copying/moving. Not on everyone's system, but enough of

a problem Microsoft rushed out a hotfix back in May and surely will

improve on it further in SP1.



The point is you wouldn't ask your 80 year old grandma to go to the

Indy 500 race track and jump in one of those high powered race cars

and then report back how well it performs after she made a single

circuit of the track at 30 MPH would you? No? Then why or why do

people listen to clueless fanboys who pretend to be experts on Vista

when in fact most are at best casual users?

Hold on. Such reviews are VERY biased. Just one person ranting about a

problem can distort the results if there aren't many reviews and it

could be due to something really dumb they did. The flip side is

people using their computer a couple hours a week tops and raving how

great it is are hardly experts and lack the technical knowledge to

make any informed opinions. Read my grandma analogy again.



OK, looking at your survey nearly 1 out 5 rank Vista as poor to very

poor. That's hardly a ringing endorsement for a mature product (which

Windows is) it has been around for 21 years in one form or another.

Accordingly Microsoft should have learned from it's past mistakes and

redoubled their efforts to ship a product more free of bugs. They

haven't. That's a knock fanboys can't deny or shake.



Microsoft ALWAYS releases the latest version of Windows far behind

schedule, removes a lot of features there were promised in early press

releases and may have even been in early beta releases and then admits

they shipped a version to customers they knew had issues.



I have a simple question. Why should Microsoft's customers accept

should poor performance? Microsoft being the biggest software

developer in the world we should expect more, not less. Especially in

quality control. It is exactly because of idiots like Frank that

tirelessly wave the Microsoft flag and pretend how great their junk is

that Microsoft sees that good enough is good enough and never really

try harder since they see customers accepting pretty good as good

enough. I keep asking why?





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In article <eZVSV#4AIHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, Charlie@nowhere.com

says...

That's how Usenet has always worked - complainers post and few people

without a problem post.



If you have a fast computer, core 2 duo and a fast video card then Vista

will perform well - just don't expect the same level of performance as

you had under XP on the SAME hardware.



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drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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Bruce Chambers wrote:



however, we have a different sort of troll, one who's baiting

Bruce, never seen it written better. I am guilty on a few occasions of

just that.



I hereby swear to never feed another troll, and if I do something stupid

I hope nobody feeds me! Now let's all swear...

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Dave T.



Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:27:44 -0400, Charlie wrote:



Why is that? Canonical will ship Ubuntu for free.



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Chris Sidener wrote:

Thank you.





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killed a great many philosophers.

~ Denis Diderot

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Dave T. wrote:



Thank you.





Me too, on occasion. It's just so hard to resist the temptation,

sometimes. ;-}







Well, I promise I'll try to do better. How's that?





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killed a great many philosophers.

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:56:30 -0600, Bruce Chambers

<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t>wrote:





Stop the self-serving bullshit PLEASE!



You need a list of the real trolls, just ask and I'll be happy to

provide. Oh what the hell, here's a partial list of the REAL trolls

that are responsible for 90% of the noise:



Adam The-Thunder-Fart-God Albright or what next the moron posts under

dennis @home

Frank

Jupiter

Lang Murphy

Leythos

Vista User



You wan to be added to the list sonny?



God, you're delusional.



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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:04:09 -0600, Bruce Chambers

<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t>wrote:



So you admit you're just some jackass that can't control his temper

and acts on impulses. Well duh... thanks for sharing that.



I NEVER saw a bigger bunch of prima donnas and crybaby types then

those that hang out in this silly newsgroup.



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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:12:14 -0400, "Chris Sidener"

<chris_sidener@hotmail.com>wrote:



Where does the 'let me slap somebody on the back' line begin?



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In article <k880g3ta5ltnckr8l5j486hocuv0bthal8@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

[snip]

You should have stated that YOU ARE delusional Adam, you never have

anything constructive to say and are the most rude poster I've read in

years.





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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net>quacked in message

Ah, Daffy, I see.



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Adam Albright wrote:



FUKK!!!

That went so far over your pointy bald head you didn't even have to duck

in order for it to miss you didn't it?

Amazing just how stupid you really are!

Frank



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Charlie wrote:

Well, Micros~1 has sold about 55,000,000 copies of Vista. All 167 people

who've had an insoluble problem have posted here.





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Bruce Chambers wrote:

We call them MSanthropes. They are a sub-set of folks who complain to give

their miserable lives meaning. By joining some anti-somthing (logging,

whalers, nuclear power, bras, bottle-feeding, meat-eating, Iraq war, Bush,

automobiles, religion, capitalism, Walmart, the "N-word", schoolyard tag,

death penalty, artificial coloring, Rumsfeld, etc.) they can take their mind

off their own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.



Tragic, really, all that wasted effort. But, that's life.



The best thing to do is lie back and think of England.







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Leythos wrote:

<K-Man thinks or thought it was a God too. I haven't seen K-Man that

much anymore. K-Man doesn't care. It would attack anyone about anything

and would not discriminate. Albright is just discriminatory not only

with MS but with Human Beings too.>



<He is the most awful and terrible Human Being I have ever seen with no

justification on how he treats people. But he kisses the behind of

people who are acting in the same way he is acting on the bashing. He is

in many ways a hypocrite based on his so called claim of people

attacking posters in the NG when he is attaching people as well. He is

totally ridiculous.>

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:33:58 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan>wrote:



Duh... I have a fast computer that is dual core and a fast video card

with my overall Vista performance rating is 5.7 and since I just built

the computer from the ground up last February with all new so-called

"vista certified" hardware and have all the latest drivers and the

latest version of BIOS according to you I shouldn't have any problems.



So much for your theory pal. Want to tackle the big bang theory next

Mr. Computer Genius?



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HeyBub wrote:



No, Micros~1 hasn't sold that many copies. They've sold licenses (so they

say) for that many copies. But, that could mean that manufacturers are

still sitting on many of them and in fact, will continue to do so, as

end-users request XP instead. Many others have gotten computers with Vista

installed and that counts as a "sale". But they've either overwritten that

pathetic bloated p.o.s. with XP or gone on to a real operating system like

Ubuntu.



Cheers.



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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:45:52 -0400, Adam The-Thunder-Fart-God Albright

<HeIsAFalseGod@TheFlaseGod.net>wrote:



Hey dickhead, you ever read back the shit you post? Try it sometime if

you want an example of delusional rantings of a psycho who's probably

also drunk or just read any Frank post.





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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:51:12 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan>wrote:



You don't get out much do you.



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In article <p7q0g350ei4m9j77aigu3ropmdrkr6t4lt@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

Based on your lack of ability to respond in a polite manner to most

people, your lack of technical skills, your being filled with scorn and

hate for anyone that exposes your ignorance, it would appear that you

are the one that doesn't get out much, not at all from what I've seen.



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Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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Adam Albright wrote:



Only if they forget to lock the cell door...

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Adam Albright wrote:





You took the time and went to the expense of building such a powerful

computer yet you did an in place upgrade install of Vista

business?..hahaha...you're an idiot and you keep proving it.

Frank

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NoStop wrote:



Hey doris...I head them calling for you over at the open sores ng. RS is

about to give his daily blessing and it's your turn to kiss his holy arse.

Hurry, you won't want to miss your turn!

Frank

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net>wrote in message

OK who is pretending to be Adam?



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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net>wrote in message

Hi Adam.. still haven't worked out that its you that's the problem?

You aren't going to solve your problem by shouting about everyone else being

wrong and dumber than you.

We all know you are crazy.



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On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:19:37 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net>wrote:



You know, since I have so many moronic little puppy dogs following me

around trying to sniff my butt or whatever other sick idea pops into

their pea sized brains, I decided to give you idiots numbers. You're

number six Dennis. Do try to remember when I say heel, that's your

cue, but please no jumping up and down trying to lick me and

absolutely no attempts to hump my leg.



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On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:23:34 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net>wrote:



Oh I see, according to Dennis world-class asshole, anyone having any

kind of problem with Vista, it's there fault. Well thanks for that

useless "help" number six. Now heel! Heel you rabid little dog. Bad

boy, bad, stop trying to hump my leg!



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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:32:29 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm>wrote:



Wow Frank, that's the 179th time you repeated the same lie. If you do

it just 21 more times you win a set of steak knives. Of course since

we all know you to be raving lunatic they're be just plastic blades,

so it reduced the chances of your hurting yourself or somebody else.



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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:34:17 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan>wrote:



I respond in KIND, If someone is sincere and seriously is looking for

help and I have some information I think may help I'll offer it.

Assholes I treat like assholes because it is pointless to try to

reason with them.



While I'm pretty good at spotting assholes on my own, I recently

automated the process. I was going through Radio Shack's online

catalog and saw brand new device called 'bullshit detector', so I

ordered one. Gosh damn, it works great! Every time I read the shit you

post or similar crap from the fanboy crowd, like Dennis, Frank,

Jupiter and other members of the mob several of ten red LEDs that

install on the top of your monitor flashes. It is really flashing fast

right now. You managed to light up eight of the ten LEDs!



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In article <2s12g31tk7of47b3bvsmkn2o4j5ah9886g@4ax.com>, AA@ABC.net

says...

It works by proximity - that's why it's blinking when you're around it.



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Leythos

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net>wrote in message

Actually it was flashing as you were writing your post.





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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan>wrote in message

If he does get out there will be a country wide manhunt.



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On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:11:03 +0100, "dennis@home"

<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net>wrote:



Nothing stands out more in a newsgroup that some pompous asshole. Your

mother must be so proud of your Dennis.



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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net>wrote in message

Oh the irony of that statement.





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I had plenty of problems back in April when I bought a Vista machine. Most have gone away

but there are still problems with the 64 bit browser (no flash player available). 64 bit

just won't work on some web sites. I bought the machine with 4 gig RAM and just upgraded

it to 6 gig. It flies but I'm told that with the dual core intel, a 5.3 rating is about

the best you can get. I've noticed that the processor often maxes out so I'm going to

upgrade to a quad soon. Many of the problems I had went away with the Vista updates and

I'm happy with it.



"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net>wrote in message