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Just something I noticed

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I just noticed how pretty Vista is.

I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.

I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone knows

where I stand.

I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn

idiocy.

MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.

All that matters is honesty and fairness.

A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good along

with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of common

sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the

indefensible as well as what should be defended.



I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.

Vista looks nice...

Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster

browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool , with

the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice doo-dads

(Sidebar goodies), etc ...

A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP , my

Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)

Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many

duplicate and crossed settings, etc.

Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...

heheheh.

Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again :) (I will do

that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I want a

motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with some

older stuff).



I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and

checked out some admin stuff.

A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in

some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that

stuff.

The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric

organization ;-)

A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,

but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista

experience.



1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files are

being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is nothing

saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY opinion.

It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)



2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design) is

the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I have

used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with Win95)

Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to be

expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught on the

way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in NOT to be

forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.

They threw common sense and function to the side and created some

"experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM. The

fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be) indicates that

whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience" do not have the

best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.



More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems

others have had and have done some research to speed up my familiarization,

but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This is just for

venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.

For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to

give me the nice to relate...

I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS

deserves ;-)

Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.



Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and

never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user

will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.

It shore is purty!

--

- Phil Clemence


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Re:Just something I noticed

"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid>wrote in message

Quote
I just noticed how pretty Vista is.

I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.

I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone

knows where I stand.

I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn

idiocy.

MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.

All that matters is honesty and fairness.

A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good

along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of

common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the

indefensible as well as what should be defended.



I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.

Vista looks nice...

Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster

browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool ,

with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice

doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ...

A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP ,

my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)

Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many

duplicate and crossed settings, etc.

Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...

heheheh.

Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again :) (I will

do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I

want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with

some older stuff).



I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and

checked out some admin stuff.

A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in

some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that

stuff.

The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric

organization ;-)

A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,

but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista

experience.



1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files

are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is

nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY

opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)



2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design)

is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I

have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with

Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to

be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught

on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in

NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.

They threw common sense and function to the side and created some

"experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM.

The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be)

indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience"

do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.



More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems

others have had and have done some research to speed up my

familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This

is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.

For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to

give me the nice to relate...

I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS

deserves ;-)

Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.



Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and

never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user

will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.

It shore is purty!

--

- Phil Clemence





I forgot to mention something about setting up networking and file sharing

that is a bit different than in the past.

It is a bit more multi-layered and absurd.

Now I have to balance that with something nice ...

Well ... now Network Administrators will be as frustrated as everyone else!

--

- Phil Clemence



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Re:Just something I noticed

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:25:02 -0400, "-Phil Clemence"

<me@nowhere.invalid>wrote:



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"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid>wrote in message

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>I just noticed how pretty Vista is.

>I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.

>I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone

>knows where I stand.

>I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn

>idiocy.

>MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.

>All that matters is honesty and fairness.

>A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good

>along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of

>common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the

>indefensible as well as what should be defended.



Welcome to the party Phil. Something tells me Frank won't be you pal.

I'm sure you can handle him easily. LOL!



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Re:Just something I noticed

Well, look at it this way, no one's stopping you from using what you want.

:)

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"-Phil Clemence" <me@nowhere.invalid>wrote in message

Quote
I just noticed how pretty Vista is.

I just noticed that Vista sucks ass.

I figure that is the best way to start in this group so that everyone

knows where I stand.

I will pick on Vista. I will defend what seems reasonable and condemn

idiocy.

MVP means nothing to me - I have seen all types with MVP sigs.

All that matters is honesty and fairness.

A little defensiveness is fine, as there are many who condemn the good

along with the bad, the simple bug or oversight along with the lack of

common sense. A little ranting is fine, as there are many who defend the

indefensible as well as what should be defended.



I bough an HP with Vista Premium preinstalled.

Vista looks nice...

Hmmm I set the Menu to 'classic' for the time being to facilitate faster

browsing and familiarization, but the Vista style is smooth and cool ,

with the arrow to switch between ALL PROGRAMS and shortcuts, the nice

doo-dads (Sidebar goodies), etc ...

A little fiddling to set up file sharing (4 computers on router = 2 XP ,

my Vista and co-workers laptop Vista)

Did a migrate from my old XP, but it was a 5 years old , and got too many

duplicate and crossed settings, etc.

Well, I have had a thousand programs on and off that poor thing , so ...

heheheh.

Did a restore with HP factory image .. ahh.. clean start again :) (I will

do that again to set this up for another user, when my new XP is here (I

want a motherboard with room to add stuff, and a mature OS compatible with

some older stuff).



I have checked out basic stuff, connected network printers, explored and

checked out some admin stuff.

A little confusing looking for things unless I choose "classic" views in

some places, (as I do in XP) but the future user won't care about that

stuff.

The grouping is pretty logical - I am just used to alpha numeric

organization ;-)

A couple of things bother me. They do not prevent me from doing anything,

but may prove to be indications of annoying things in my future Vista

experience.



1) When I copy, move or delete a folder, the window shows how many files

are being moved and where they are being moved from and to, but there is

nothing saying what folder is being manipulated. NO EXCUSE for that, in MY

opinion. It is evidence of Rain Man type thinking ;-)



2) My biggest worry (possible indication of similar thinking in design)

is the setup for Windows Media Center. It is the worst I have ever seen (I

have used about 100 different media players over the years, starting with

Win95) Rain Man thinking is one thing, and I can forgive that - it is to

be expected to some degree from programmers and most seems to get caught

on the way out the door, but the sort of thinking behind Media Center in

NOT to be forgiven. THE SETUP INTERFACE IS TOTAL CRAP.

They threw common sense and function to the side and created some

"experience". THAT SHOULD NEVER BE DONE DURING THE SETUP OF ANY PROGRAM.

The fact that there is no fully viewable menu (tabbed if need be)

indicates that whoever (whatever group) decided to create the "experience"

do not have the best interest of users in mind. THAT is very bad.



More to come, as I work with this - yes I know about many of the problems

others have had and have done some research to speed up my

familiarization, but I won't post what I happen to have seen already. This

is just for venting and possibly discussion. We have all been warned.

For each rant I will try to say something nice, too. It is up to Vista to

give me the nice to relate...

I continue to play with this and will have more complaints, as an OS

deserves ;-)

Annoyances are NOT bugs, and impatience does NOT mean it is broken.



Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and

never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user

will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.

It shore is purty!

--

- Phil Clemence





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Re:Just something I noticed

<snip>

Quote
Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and

never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user

will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.

It shore is purty!

--

- Phil Clemence



Well, as Andre pointed out, we're all free to use whatever we want to... the

new Ubuntu is about to be released. I hear that too is purty.



I admit to liking Vista. It's never crashed, not once, on the five different

systems on which I've installed it. (Clean installs on all... no upgrades

here.)



My main complaint, and not a little thing either, is the file copy screw up.

Maddening, to be sure. (Much more maddening than UAC, to my way of

thinking... but to each his, or her, own...)



Not sure about your Media Center setup complaint. You didn't disclose which

type of setup you did... I did an express setup here and no problems that I

could detect.



I have no problem with folks having issues with Vista. I have issues with

Vista. I do have a problem with posters who position themselves as being all

knowing and label everyone who doesn't agree with them an idiot fanboy.



Guess we'll find out which type of poster you are...



Lang









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Re:Just something I noticed

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote:



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Annoyances are NOT bugs,



Of course they are!



--

Chris Game



Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

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Re:Just something I noticed

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com>wrote in message

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<snip>

>Go slow - never expect an old habit to be comfortable with a new OS, and

>never expect a new OS to run old programs ( I tested two the future user

>will want - they seem fine). Patience grasshoppers.

>It shore is purty!

>--

>- Phil Clemence



Well, as Andre pointed out, we're all free to use whatever we want to...

the new Ubuntu is about to be released. I hear that too is purty.



I admit to liking Vista. It's never crashed, not once, on the five

different systems on which I've installed it. (Clean installs on all... no

upgrades here.)



My main complaint, and not a little thing either, is the file copy screw

up. Maddening, to be sure. (Much more maddening than UAC, to my way of

thinking... but to each his, or her, own...)



Not sure about your Media Center setup complaint. You didn't disclose

which type of setup you did... I did an express setup here and no problems

that I could detect.





I did the Media Center Edition and now find I can't even install WMP 11 !

Well, I don't need to intall it as this will be used by someone who might

like Media Center fine (a novice, but I will set it up for him).

Once it is set up , I don't care so much, but mistakes in original setup can

lead to files left where you don't want them, etc

The gripe about the menu system in Media Center is more about how the setup

should not be a new experience ;-)

I can get used to different interfaces for use, but setup should be as clear

and concise as possible.

So, I am not so bothered by the setup itself (no problem , I will be doing

it again anyway) but the fact that the setup could have been designed that

way. Why would they do that?



Quote
I have no problem with folks having issues with Vista. I have issues with

Vista. I do have a problem with posters who position themselves as being

all knowing and label everyone who doesn't agree with them an idiot

fanboy.



Guess we'll find out which type of poster you are...



Lang















--

- Phil Clemence



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Re:Just something I noticed

"Chris Game" <chrisgame@example.net>wrote in message

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:17:30 -0400, -Phil Clemence wrote:



>Annoyances are NOT bugs,



Of course they are!





Of course they ... oh, nevermind.

Believe what you will.



Quote
--

Chris Game



Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.



--

- Phil Clemence



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Re:Just something I noticed

<snip>

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So, I am not so bothered by the setup itself (no problem , I will be doing

it again anyway) but the fact that the setup could have been designed that

way. Why would they do that?





No clue. That's kinda like asking why is the sky blue. Someone can answer

you, but will the answer make any sense?



Lang



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