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I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.


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philo

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 13:26:44 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?



"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.





Why not just fix your old machine...

what's wrong with it?



There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable





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AlexB

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 13:32:32 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

I am not an expert on compatibility by any means but I think you can

purchase a new machine but keep your old one next to it.



There is a chance that you will be able to use MS Office 2000 if you install

it from the old disk. There is no risk to try.



With MYOB - it is a different story. Most likely it won't work. You may try

to get a new upgrade from the maker or perhaps they have some add-ons

specifically to make the old versions compatible with Vista.



I would guess that Quickbooks Pro will face teh same fate.



"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.



-

Bill

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 13:34:26 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

If you need a new machine and have some older software, you can XP installed

on it. Vista will probably cause too many problems for you.





"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.





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Tom

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 13:37:08 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Office 2000 is going to have compatibility problems.



"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

:I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

: appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

: bit different - I think:

:

: My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

: purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

: range use Vista.

:

: I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

: to a new pc, or a new printer.

:

: Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

: Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

: printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

: fine with my old pc.

:

: I appreciate your expert advice.

: Thank you.





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AlexB

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 13:46:52 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Quote
has bit the bullet



**philo**, the expression above does NOT mean that the OP's computer is

broken. It means that is OBSOLETE for the task.



To "fix" a Win2K OS on an old hardware is an idiotic suggestion. He will

spend more time fighting viruses and finding fixes than working. There is

also something like being morally obsolete or obsolete in the eyes of the

people. It is nice to have many things new.



It is just mind-boggling what you trolls do. It is near criminal. It means

that you give your fellow man and advice in BAD faith.



You are a virulent anti-Vista troll and you do not hesitate to screw people

up at a slightest opportunity.



"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

Quote


"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

news:09DE22EB-8515-4942-A3B1-3F1830D24787@microsoft.com...

>I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

>appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question

>is

a

>bit different - I think:

>

 >My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

>purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my

>price

>range use Vista.

>

 >I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in

>addition

>to a new pc, or a new printer.

>

 >Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

>Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

>printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

>fine with my old pc.

>

 >I appreciate your expert advice.

>Thank you.





Why not just fix your old machine...

what's wrong with it?



There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable







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Jake

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 14:23:00 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?



"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message

Quote
>has bit the bullet



**philo**, the expression above does NOT mean that the OP's computer is

broken. It means that is OBSOLETE for the task.



To "fix" a Win2K OS on an old hardware is an idiotic suggestion. He will

spend more time fighting viruses and finding fixes than working. There is

also something like being morally obsolete or obsolete in the eyes of the

people. It is nice to have many things new.



It is just mind-boggling what you trolls do. It is near criminal. It means

that you give your fellow man and advice in BAD faith.



You are a virulent anti-Vista troll and you do not hesitate to screw

people up at a slightest opportunity.



"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

news:OANfWlRZIHA.5612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

 >"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>news:09DE22EB-8515-4942-A3B1-3F1830D24787@microsoft.com...

>>I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

>>appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question

>>is

>a

>>bit different - I think:

>>

 >>My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I

>>need

>to

>>purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my

>>price

>>range use Vista.

>>

 >>I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in

>>addition

>>to a new pc, or a new printer.

>>

 >>Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

>>Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

>>printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

>just

>>fine with my old pc.

>>

 >>I appreciate your expert advice.

>>Thank you.

>

 >

 >Why not just fix your old machine...

>what's wrong with it?

>

 >There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable

>

 >





POT=KETTLE=BLACK



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DanS

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 14:47:29 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in



Quote
Why not just fix your old machine...

what's wrong with it?



There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable



I agree. Any machine more than a couple years old, but less than say, 5,

can usually be fixed for $50.....or less.



Unless it's both the MB & CPU, then a little more, but certainly not

nearly as much as buying a new system.



As a matter of fact, I just fixed someone's PC for them.



It's a P4 1.5 GHz socket 478, DDR RAM, AGP video. The MB needed

replacing, the CPU was fine, as well as all other components. There was

some issue with initializing the video in BIOS, and the video never came

on.



I could have bought a new MB for it, but not to many choices to pick

from. The least expensive NIB 478 MB was $60.



So I picked up a working used one....I know a bunch of people that deal

in a lot of used stuff........$10.



Replaced the MB, repair install, the PC's fixed, the guys happy, end of

story.



The cost of a replacement motherboard.......$10.

The cost to have Dan swap it in for him.....$20.

Seeing the face of someone who thought

they'd have to buy a new PC that they

couldn't afford, but instead only ended

up paying $30................................Priceless.



Regards,



DanS



(PS- I'm not recommending the OP *NOT* by a new system, just sharing an

experience.)





















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Ron

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 14:57:57 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

get machine that has degrade rights to XP, and use XP instead of vista until

or even IF you will upgrade and want to use

vista.



Vista is not good anyway





"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.





-
philo

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 14:56:08 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in

news:OANfWlRZIHA.5612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:



>Why not just fix your old machine...

>what's wrong with it?

>

 >There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable



I agree. Any machine more than a couple years old, but less than say, 5,

can usually be fixed for $50.....or less.



Unless it's both the MB & CPU, then a little more, but certainly not

nearly as much as buying a new system.



As a matter of fact, I just fixed someone's PC for them.



It's a P4 1.5 GHz socket 478, DDR RAM, AGP video. The MB needed

replacing, the CPU was fine, as well as all other components. There was

some issue with initializing the video in BIOS, and the video never came

on.



I could have bought a new MB for it, but not to many choices to pick

from. The least expensive NIB 478 MB was $60.



So I picked up a working used one....I know a bunch of people that deal

in a lot of used stuff........$10.



Replaced the MB, repair install, the PC's fixed, the guys happy, end of

story.



The cost of a replacement motherboard.......$10.

The cost to have Dan swap it in for him.....$20.

Seeing the face of someone who thought

they'd have to buy a new PC that they

couldn't afford, but instead only ended

up paying $30................................Priceless.



Regards,



DanS



(PS- I'm not recommending the OP *NOT* by a new system, just sharing an

experience.)









Yes...I can pickup used parts for next to nothing...

I often get decent P-III motherboards with CPU and sometimes RAM for as

little as $5...if not...free...



Generally I can build an entire used machine for just a few $$$...

so to reapair an existing machine is usually no problem at all

Quote


















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bbibowen

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:17:01 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase when my

even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years. Has been

having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time it's turned

out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to make things

work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware issues

are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for it and

that it was meant as an interim machine.



Thanks.



"philo" wrote:



Quote


"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

news:09DE22EB-8515-4942-A3B1-3F1830D24787@microsoft.com...

>I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

>appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

>bit different - I think:

>

 >My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

>purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

>range use Vista.

>

 >I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

>to a new pc, or a new printer.

>

 >Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

>Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

>printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

>fine with my old pc.

>

 >I appreciate your expert advice.

>Thank you.





Why not just fix your old machine...

what's wrong with it?



There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable







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AlexB

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:23:01 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Good for you, I may be envying you on that but I don't really need to go

that far since I can afford to buy the best new system when I need it.



The question is: can an accountant (he is an accountant) possibly working

two jobs, one for a firm, another one at home doing income tax return for a

bunch of friends, afford to lunge into a hardware venture like this with

April 15 coming?



Such things require one thing: APTITUDE and not everyone has it. The OP may

have other aptitudes we don't know about but it is not a subject to discuss

in here.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in

news:OANfWlRZIHA.5612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:



>Why not just fix your old machine...

>what's wrong with it?

>

 >There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable



I agree. Any machine more than a couple years old, but less than say, 5,

can usually be fixed for $50.....or less.



Unless it's both the MB & CPU, then a little more, but certainly not

nearly as much as buying a new system.



As a matter of fact, I just fixed someone's PC for them.



It's a P4 1.5 GHz socket 478, DDR RAM, AGP video. The MB needed

replacing, the CPU was fine, as well as all other components. There was

some issue with initializing the video in BIOS, and the video never came

on.



I could have bought a new MB for it, but not to many choices to pick

from. The least expensive NIB 478 MB was $60.



So I picked up a working used one....I know a bunch of people that deal

in a lot of used stuff........$10.



Replaced the MB, repair install, the PC's fixed, the guys happy, end of

story.



The cost of a replacement motherboard.......$10.

The cost to have Dan swap it in for him.....$20.

Seeing the face of someone who thought

they'd have to buy a new PC that they

couldn't afford, but instead only ended

up paying $30................................Priceless.



Regards,



DanS



(PS- I'm not recommending the OP *NOT* by a new system, just sharing an

experience.)























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Bill

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:24:42 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?



"Ron" <Ron@microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
get machine that has degrade rights to XP, and use XP instead of vista

until or even IF you will upgrade and want to use

vista.



Vista is not good anyway



Why not get a machine that has XP on it and you don't have to worry about

downgrading or "degrade rights" as Ron suggests. Who knows what degrade

rights are anyway. Could be problems with the wife or girlfriend or

Boyfriend.



Vista probably isn't good for Ron but it's OK for others. Maybe Ron doesn't

know how to use Vista



Quote




"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

news:09DE22EB-8515-4942-A3B1-3F1830D24787@microsoft.com...

>I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

>appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question

>is a

>bit different - I think:

>

 >My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

>to

>purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my

>price

>range use Vista.

>

 >I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in

>addition

>to a new pc, or a new printer.

>

 >Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

>Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

>printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

>just

>fine with my old pc.

>

 >I appreciate your expert advice.

>Thank you.









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AlexB

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:25:09 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Well, I just threw out a machine, probably 8 years old. I hope it did not

end up in your clutches:)



"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

Quote


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

news:Xns9A378231CDA37thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

>"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in

>news:OANfWlRZIHA.5612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>

 >>Why not just fix your old machine...

>>what's wrong with it?

>>

 >>There is pretty much no such thing as unfixable

>

 >I agree. Any machine more than a couple years old, but less than say, 5,

>can usually be fixed for $50.....or less.

>

 >Unless it's both the MB & CPU, then a little more, but certainly not

>nearly as much as buying a new system.

>

 >As a matter of fact, I just fixed someone's PC for them.

>

 >It's a P4 1.5 GHz socket 478, DDR RAM, AGP video. The MB needed

>replacing, the CPU was fine, as well as all other components. There was

>some issue with initializing the video in BIOS, and the video never came

>on.

>

 >I could have bought a new MB for it, but not to many choices to pick

>from. The least expensive NIB 478 MB was $60.

>

 >So I picked up a working used one....I know a bunch of people that deal

>in a lot of used stuff........$10.

>

 >Replaced the MB, repair install, the PC's fixed, the guys happy, end of

>story.

>

 >The cost of a replacement motherboard.......$10.

>The cost to have Dan swap it in for him.....$20.

>Seeing the face of someone who thought

>they'd have to buy a new PC that they

>couldn't afford, but instead only ended

>up paying $30................................Priceless.

>

 >Regards,

>

 >DanS

>

 >(PS- I'm not recommending the OP *NOT* by a new system, just sharing an

>experience.)

>

 >

 >

Yes...I can pickup used parts for next to nothing...

I often get decent P-III motherboards with CPU and sometimes RAM for as

little as $5...if not...free...



Generally I can build an entire used machine for just a few $$$...

so to reapair an existing machine is usually no problem at all

>

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >





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AlexB

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:26:25 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Don't listen to this guy, he is prejudiced. You will be much better off with

Vista.



"Ron" <Ron@microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
get machine that has degrade rights to XP, and use XP instead of vista

until or even IF you will upgrade and want to use

vista.



Vista is not good anyway





"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

news:09DE22EB-8515-4942-A3B1-3F1830D24787@microsoft.com...

>I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

>appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question

>is a

>bit different - I think:

>

 >My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

>to

>purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my

>price

>range use Vista.

>

 >I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in

>addition

>to a new pc, or a new printer.

>

 >Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

>Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

>printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

>just

>fine with my old pc.

>

 >I appreciate your expert advice.

>Thank you.







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philo

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 15:32:41 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?



"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase when my

even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years. Has been

having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time it's

turned

out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to make

things

work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware issues

are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for it and

that it was meant as an interim machine.



Thanks.





<snip>



Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.



If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not all your

apps and H/W will work.



I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run under

Vista...

and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support for your

printer.



If there is lack of Vista support...

do the same research for XP.



If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

but if you find that XP support is more likely...

you still can purchase new machines with XP.









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Jim

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 16:19:47 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote:



Quote
Don't listen to this guy, he is prejudiced. You will be much better off with

Vista.



<snip>

Only if his software will run, otherwise he would be better off with

XP.

--

Jim Rusling

More or Less Retired

Mustang, OK

www.rusling.org" >www.rusling.org

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Richard

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 17:13:17 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Frankly, most of the hardware and software you've listed will not work well,

if at all, with Vista. If you have doubts, contact the software and

hardware manufacturers and see if they support Vista with the stuff you

have. Given the age of what you've listed I doubt if much of it, if any,

will be supported.



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"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Quote
I have read a few of the Vista compatibility threads with interest. It

appears most of these deal with upgrading from XP to Vista. My question is

a

bit different - I think:



My old PC (which was running Windows 2000 Pro) has bit the bullet. I need

to

purchase a new machine. All the new machines that I am finding in my price

range use Vista.



I do not have any more budget to buy all new software versions in addition

to a new pc, or a new printer.



Am I "out-to-lunch" to hope that my old MS Office 2000, MYOB Ver 11,

Quickbooks Pro 2005 will work on a new Vista system? What about an older

printer/fax/copier machine (Brother) - it's about 5 yrs old and worked

just

fine with my old pc.



I appreciate your expert advice.

Thank you.



-
DanS

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 17:47:20 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in



Quote
Good for you, I may be envying you on that but I don't really need to

go that far since I can afford to buy the best new system when I need

it.



Unfortunately some of us aren't that lucky. Some have lived, and still do,

paycheck to paycheck, for whatever reason, where it's not that easy to just

go drop a g or 2 on a PC whenever needed.



Hell, I was going to buy a new PC with my Christmas bonus this year. But my

furnace decided otherwise.



Quote


The question is: can an accountant (he is an accountant) possibly

working two jobs, one for a firm, another one at home doing income tax

return for a bunch of friends, afford to lunge into a hardware venture

like this with April 15 coming?



Nowhere at all in his post did he ever mention about being an accountant.



Having Quickbooks != Accountant

-
MICHAEL

Registered User

Fri Feb 01 23:14:27 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message news:e2KF2nRZIHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Quote
I am not an expert on



The only thing you are an expert on

is how to be the very best idiot douche

in this newsgroup.





-Michael

-
SG

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 04:23:14 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Hi,



Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then install

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a life saver for me

and thousands of others that must run older apps for at least awhile longer.



www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx" >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx



--

All the best,

SG

"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

Quote


"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase when my

>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years. Has been

>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time it's

turned

>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to make

things

>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>issues

>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for it and

>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>

 >Thanks.





<snip>



Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.



If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not all your

apps and H/W will work.



I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run under

Vista...

and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support for

your

printer.



If there is lack of Vista support...

do the same research for XP.



If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

but if you find that XP support is more likely...

you still can purchase new machines with XP.











-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 07:30:16 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Yes he never mentioned that he was an accountant. But if you check the

software he is concerned about, you can make an educated guess.



Also on a different tune, it occurred to me overnight that you can do a good

service to the community if you create a sample menu sort of the one you did

but more expanded (obviously there are many variations) and keep posting it

for such occasions again and again. I am talking about putting together a

totally new machine from spare parts, not necessarily new, they may be

refurbished. You should start with a case. I would love to see if you can

develop a sample with a rack mount. They look especially nice.



Some people may have very vague idea that it is doable. When someone tells

them, look, you can purchase it all on the web and the machine will cost you

about half of what you pay at a store, it may trigger some action.



I still have a rack mount 4-L case for a server sitting in my office. I've

been thinking filling it with semiconductors for more than a year. One thing

after another drags me away from it.



I am not lucky. I work hard for a living. I work 7 days a week and seldom

take a vacation.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

news:eMzxllSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:



>Good for you, I may be envying you on that but I don't really need to

>go that far since I can afford to buy the best new system when I need

>it.



Unfortunately some of us aren't that lucky. Some have lived, and still do,

paycheck to paycheck, for whatever reason, where it's not that easy to

just

go drop a g or 2 on a PC whenever needed.



Hell, I was going to buy a new PC with my Christmas bonus this year. But

my

furnace decided otherwise.



>

 >The question is: can an accountant (he is an accountant) possibly

>working two jobs, one for a firm, another one at home doing income tax

>return for a bunch of friends, afford to lunge into a hardware venture

>like this with April 15 coming?



Nowhere at all in his post did he ever mention about being an accountant.



Having Quickbooks != Accountant



-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 07:43:38 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

How much does it slow down your apps?



"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

Quote
Hi,



Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then install

Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a life saver for

me and thousands of others that must run older apps for at least awhile

longer.



www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx" >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx



--

All the best,

SG

"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

news:y6GdnTYdMO6GMT7anZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@athenet.net...

>

 >"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase when

>>my

>>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years. Has

>>been

>>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time it's

>turned

>>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to make

>things

>>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>>issues

>>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for it

>>and

>>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>>

 >>Thanks.

>

 >

 ><snip>

 >

 >Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

>sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.

>

 >If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not all

>your

>apps and H/W will work.

>

 >I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run under

>Vista...

>and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support for

>your

>printer.

>

 >If there is lack of Vista support...

>do the same research for XP.

>

 >If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

>but if you find that XP support is more likely...

>you still can purchase new machines with XP.

>

 >

 >

 >



-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 08:11:00 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Aha, here you are crustacean.



I have been waiting for you. I knew you would take a bait. You know, that

theTruthHurts@hotm.communist character who is apparently familiar with

zoological classification suggested that you may be in fact a worm, not a

crustacean. He said: crustaceans are arthropod, not worms. It means that he

determined (sic!) that you were a worm but I had no prior knowledge of it. I

simply identified you as such based on incomplete information.



Let me take another look. That's right, you are an annelid!!!!!!!



All this makes perfect sense. You said that you wished I would become a ship

wreck, drown and gone to fishes. You actually said that I would be eaten by

WORMS (sic!) and fishes. I doubt you are so presumptuous as to identify

yourselves with the class of fishes. You knew all along who you are!!!



Now, your proper identity restored, I want to remind to you that your dream

of my dropping into your ocean's depth where you dwell and eating me was

foolish. If I am eaten by fishes and you, crawl up to take a bite that will

be your last bite, the worm MICHAEL will be no more. Fishes like worms and

never pass an opportunity to suction one in.



You, see idiot, you are an idiot all around.



I am surprised even among annelids there idiots. It is a huge discovery and

I should submit a paper to Science or Nature. You will make me famous and my

name will be mentioned in the Science Citation Index for the next hundred

years.



Unbeknown to you, little as*sh*ole with even a smaller brain your stupidity

affords incredible opportunity to make fun at your expense. Doctors

determined long ago that laugh is the best medication. Every time you post

something stupid at the tail of my post my health insurance bill declines by

a fraction of a percentage point.



Oh gush, stupid people are here to stay.



"MICHAEL" <u158627_7@dslr.net>wrote in message

Quote
"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message

news:e2KF2nRZIHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I am not an expert on



The only thing you are an expert on

is how to be the very best idiot douche

in this newsgroup.



-Michael



-
DanS

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 08:20:45 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in



Quote
Yes he never mentioned that he was an accountant. But if you check the

software he is concerned about, you can make an educated guess.



We're not here to make educated guesses (nor assumptions) about what a

poster does for a living.



Quote
Also on a different tune, it occurred to me overnight that you can do

a good service to the community if you create a sample menu sort of

the one you did but more expanded (obviously there are many

variations) and keep posting it for such occasions again and again. I

am talking about putting together a totally new machine from spare

parts, not necessarily new, they may be refurbished. You should start

with a case. I would love to see if you can develop a sample with a

rack mount. They look especially nice.



Some people may have very vague idea that it is doable. When someone

tells them, look, you can purchase it all on the web and the machine

will cost you about half of what you pay at a store, it may trigger

some action.



While I can't tell if what you have written above is supposed to be

sarcastic or not, I can tell that while it may sound like a promising

venture, it is not.



Assuming that the entire reason for doing the above would be to build

inexpensive computers to sell to people that don't have computers, a

*completely legitimate* business model selling complete systems made up

of spare/used/older parts simply does not work.



Much of the saving's by building a 'spare parts' computer is immediately

wiped out when you figure in the cost of buying the OS to put on said

computer. Sure, you can build a complete system of used parts for < $100,

but add a copy of Windows in there, and the cost goes up by $100.



When people ask me about building a computer for them, unless they want

to spend $1000 or more, I recommend buying one.



For instance, in the beginning of December, Dell had this deal on a

SlimLine Vostro 200 system. It came with a Pentium Dual-core E2180 CPU, 1

Gig RAM, 80 Gig HD, Windows XP Professional, AND a 17" LCD monitor. The

cost was $429. Not much more than building the same thing from new parts.



Quote
I still have a rack mount 4-L case for a server sitting in my office.

I've been thinking filling it with semiconductors for more than a

year. One thing after another drags me away from it.



Great. Did you mean a 4U case ? I already have a rackmount server in the

other room, that goes with the rackmount switch and rackmount UPS. I

bought it used in 2003 for $80 from a company liquidating equipment. The

server is mainly used for network storage and runs a couple of network

services.



This server originally had a PII-based MB, and worked fine for it's uses.

Two years ago I upgraded it from the PII to a dual PIII-667 Intel server

board, which I picked up for $20...WITH (2) 667 Mhz CPU's and fans.







Quote


I am not lucky. I work hard for a living. I work 7 days a week and

seldom take a vacation.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

news:Xns9A37A0AE53EA7thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

>"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

>news:eMzxllSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>

 >>Good for you, I may be envying you on that but I don't really need

>>to go that far since I can afford to buy the best new system when I

>>need it.

>

 >Unfortunately some of us aren't that lucky. Some have lived, and

>still do, paycheck to paycheck, for whatever reason, where it's not

>that easy to just

>go drop a g or 2 on a PC whenever needed.

>

 >Hell, I was going to buy a new PC with my Christmas bonus this year.

>But my

>furnace decided otherwise.

>

 >>

 >>The question is: can an accountant (he is an accountant) possibly

>>working two jobs, one for a firm, another one at home doing income

>>tax return for a bunch of friends, afford to lunge into a hardware

>>venture like this with April 15 coming?

>

 >Nowhere at all in his post did he ever mention about being an

>accountant.

>

 >Having Quickbooks != Accountant







-
MICHAEL

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 09:05:10 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message news:OcjA2YbZIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

Quote
Aha, here you are crustacean.



I have been waiting for you.



I'm sure you have.... you have nothing better to do

with your miserable little life.







-Michael

-
DanS

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 09:18:27 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in



Quote
How much does it slow down your apps?



Well, if you have an app that doens't run in Vista at all, but are able

to run it in a virtual machine, running it in VPC doesn't 'slow it down'

at all.



Your question is mathmatically impossible, no matter which way you try to

figure it...using multiplication, multiplying by 0 always gives 0, and

you can't divide by 0, and 0 divided by anything = 0, so the answer is..





What an illogical question.







Quote


"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

news:%23BZgiZZZIHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>Hi,

>

 >Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then

>install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a

>life saver for me and thousands of others that must run older apps

>for at least awhile longer.

>

 >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default." >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.

>mspx

>

 >--

>All the best,

>SG

>"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

>news:y6GdnTYdMO6GMT7anZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@athenet.net...

>>

 >>"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>>news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>>>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase

>>>when my

>>>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years.

>>>Has been

>>>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time

>>>it's

>>turned

>>>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to

>>>make

>>things

>>>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>>>issues

>>>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for

>>>it and

>>>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>>>

 >>>Thanks.

>>

 >>

 >><snip>

 >>

 >>Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

>>sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.

>>

 >>If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not

>>all your

>>apps and H/W will work.

>>

 >>I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run

>>under Vista...

>>and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support

>>for your

>>printer.

>>

 >>If there is lack of Vista support...

>>do the same research for XP.

>>

 >>If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

>>but if you find that XP support is more likely...

>>you still can purchase new machines with XP.

>>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >



-
DanS

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 09:20:57 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in



Quote
Aha, here you are crustacean.



I have been waiting for you. I knew you would take a bait.



Beyond the shadow of a doubt, can not be argued by anyone,

undisputably.......



You have just labelled yourself a troll.



Troll.

-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 10:43:57 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

I was not sarcastic at all. I meant it. I did not know the economics.



I do believe you are correct. In all your points.



Yes, it is 4U case. I bought it on eBay. I paid much more than you did but

it still was a saving at that time. It was a rash decision because I felt I

was about to start building it and needed the case tomorrow. I just checked

the prices. The new ones cost less than I paid for my eBay's although it was

also new, never used.



It is an ATX style 4U Deep 12 bay Rack Mount Case by General Technics

Industrial Rack Mount Computers.



Well, people do build computers. They may do it for instance because they

may not want to cough up a certain amount of money at once or still there

might be a saving or they may use a portion of an old system. I just thought

that if you could make such a prescription some individuals may benefit.



I was not thinking about a business. I was thinking that you can post such

templates for some people to have a starting point in their own adventure.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

news:#$FQFCbZIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:



>Yes he never mentioned that he was an accountant. But if you check the

>software he is concerned about, you can make an educated guess.



We're not here to make educated guesses (nor assumptions) about what a

poster does for a living.



>Also on a different tune, it occurred to me overnight that you can do

>a good service to the community if you create a sample menu sort of

>the one you did but more expanded (obviously there are many

>variations) and keep posting it for such occasions again and again. I

>am talking about putting together a totally new machine from spare

>parts, not necessarily new, they may be refurbished. You should start

>with a case. I would love to see if you can develop a sample with a

>rack mount. They look especially nice.

>

 >Some people may have very vague idea that it is doable. When someone

>tells them, look, you can purchase it all on the web and the machine

>will cost you about half of what you pay at a store, it may trigger

>some action.



While I can't tell if what you have written above is supposed to be

sarcastic or not, I can tell that while it may sound like a promising

venture, it is not.



Assuming that the entire reason for doing the above would be to build

inexpensive computers to sell to people that don't have computers, a

*completely legitimate* business model selling complete systems made up

of spare/used/older parts simply does not work.



Much of the saving's by building a 'spare parts' computer is immediately

wiped out when you figure in the cost of buying the OS to put on said

computer. Sure, you can build a complete system of used parts for < $100,

but add a copy of Windows in there, and the cost goes up by $100.



When people ask me about building a computer for them, unless they want

to spend $1000 or more, I recommend buying one.



For instance, in the beginning of December, Dell had this deal on a

SlimLine Vostro 200 system. It came with a Pentium Dual-core E2180 CPU, 1

Gig RAM, 80 Gig HD, Windows XP Professional, AND a 17" LCD monitor. The

cost was $429. Not much more than building the same thing from new parts.



>I still have a rack mount 4-L case for a server sitting in my office.

>I've been thinking filling it with semiconductors for more than a

>year. One thing after another drags me away from it.



Great. Did you mean a 4U case ? I already have a rackmount server in the

other room, that goes with the rackmount switch and rackmount UPS. I

bought it used in 2003 for $80 from a company liquidating equipment. The

server is mainly used for network storage and runs a couple of network

services.



This server originally had a PII-based MB, and worked fine for it's uses.

Two years ago I upgraded it from the PII to a dual PIII-667 Intel server

board, which I picked up for $20...WITH (2) 667 Mhz CPU's and fans.







>

 >I am not lucky. I work hard for a living. I work 7 days a week and

>seldom take a vacation.

>

 >"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

>news:Xns9A37A0AE53EA7thisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

>>"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

>>news:eMzxllSZIHA.5396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

>>

 >>>Good for you, I may be envying you on that but I don't really need

>>>to go that far since I can afford to buy the best new system when I

>>>need it.

>>

 >>Unfortunately some of us aren't that lucky. Some have lived, and

>>still do, paycheck to paycheck, for whatever reason, where it's not

>>that easy to just

>>go drop a g or 2 on a PC whenever needed.

>>

 >>Hell, I was going to buy a new PC with my Christmas bonus this year.

>>But my

>>furnace decided otherwise.

>>

 >>>

 >>>The question is: can an accountant (he is an accountant) possibly

>>>working two jobs, one for a firm, another one at home doing income

>>>tax return for a bunch of friends, afford to lunge into a hardware

>>>venture like this with April 15 coming?

>>

 >>Nowhere at all in his post did he ever mention about being an

>>accountant.

>>

 >>Having Quickbooks != Accountant

>

 >



-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 10:45:33 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

I have to admit you are 100% correct on this one.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

news:#w8TjJbZIHA.4860@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:



>How much does it slow down your apps?



Well, if you have an app that doens't run in Vista at all, but are able

to run it in a virtual machine, running it in VPC doesn't 'slow it down'

at all.



Your question is mathmatically impossible, no matter which way you try to

figure it...using multiplication, multiplying by 0 always gives 0, and

you can't divide by 0, and 0 divided by anything = 0, so the answer is..





What an illogical question.







>

 >"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

>news:%23BZgiZZZIHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>Hi,

>>

 >>Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then

>>install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a

>>life saver for me and thousands of others that must run older apps

>>for at least awhile longer.

>>

 >>www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default." >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.

>>mspx

>>

 >>--

>>All the best,

>>SG

>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

>>news:y6GdnTYdMO6GMT7anZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@athenet.net...

>>>

 >>>"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>>>news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>>>>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase

>>>>when my

>>>>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years.

>>>>Has been

>>>>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time

>>>>it's

>>>turned

>>>>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to

>>>>make

>>>things

>>>>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>>>>issues

>>>>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for

>>>>it and

>>>>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>>>>

 >>>>Thanks.

>>>

 >>>

 >>><snip>

 >>>

 >>>Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

>>>sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.

>>>

 >>>If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not

>>>all your

>>>apps and H/W will work.

>>>

 >>>I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run

>>>under Vista...

>>>and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support

>>>for your

>>>printer.

>>>

 >>>If there is lack of Vista support...

>>>do the same research for XP.

>>>

 >>>If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

>>>but if you find that XP support is more likely...

>>>you still can purchase new machines with XP.

>>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>

 >



-
AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 10:59:17 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Yes, I am a troll, at least partially. I have said it in the past. But I

also do other good things. Also my trolling is for the right cause. People

who troll here on behalf of Ubuntu are the once to be ashamed of their

behavior.



It is a Vista forum. People of that Ubuntu/Linux/Left Wing/ and other bend

do not belong here. They must be disparaged and if they do not listen driven

away by ridicule. This is precisely what I am doing.



I always tell everyone involved: I take a complete responsibility for

everything I do. Therefore: I am a troll.



This crazy MICHAEL could have avoided that should he have abstained from

posting his unsolicited, untoward, nasty, idiotic, totally out of context

remark in the first place. He is scum.



If people keep their posting constrained to constructive matters I would not

have had a cause to snide. Also I am not a self-appointed morality police

officer around here. I don't give a damn. But as long as I am taking part in

some discussions I will bite a head off of anyone who is trying to cross me.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

Quote
"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

news:OcjA2YbZIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:



>Aha, here you are crustacean.

>

 >I have been waiting for you. I knew you would take a bait.



Beyond the shadow of a doubt, can not be argued by anyone,

undisputably.......



You have just labelled yourself a troll.



Troll.



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MICHAEL

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 11:09:29 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message news:#Qgs32cZIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

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Yes, I am a troll, at least partially. I have said it in the past. But I

also do other good things. Also my trolling is for the right cause. People

who troll here on behalf of Ubuntu are the once to be ashamed of their

behavior.



It is a Vista forum. People of that Ubuntu/Linux/Left Wing/ and other bend

do not belong here. They must be disparaged and if they do not listen driven

away by ridicule. This is precisely what I am doing.



I always tell everyone involved: I take a complete responsibility for

everything I do. Therefore: I am a troll.



This crazy MICHAEL could have avoided that should he have abstained from

posting his unsolicited, untoward, nasty, idiotic, totally out of context

remark in the first place. He is scum.



If people keep their posting constrained to constructive matters I would not

have had a cause to snide. Also I am not a self-appointed morality police

officer around here. I don't give a damn. But as long as I am taking part in

some discussions I will bite a head off of anyone who is trying to cross me.



You won't bite anything but your upper lip when someone

goes "boo". Sissy boy.



Now, just STFU and move along.





-Michael

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SG

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 13:36:28 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

Hi AlexB



No slow down at all, it is independent of the operating system you install

it on. If fact you can install several Systems on VM 2007 and run them all

at the same time. One thing to make clear is you DO have to have a valid

license for is operating system you install just as if it was a new machine.



--

All the best,

SG



"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message

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I have to admit you are 100% correct on this one.



"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

news:Xns9A384A741926Athisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

>"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

>news:#w8TjJbZIHA.4860@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>

 >>How much does it slow down your apps?

>

 >Well, if you have an app that doens't run in Vista at all, but are able

>to run it in a virtual machine, running it in VPC doesn't 'slow it down'

>at all.

>

 >Your question is mathmatically impossible, no matter which way you try to

>figure it...using multiplication, multiplying by 0 always gives 0, and

>you can't divide by 0, and 0 divided by anything = 0, so the answer is..

>

 >

 >What an illogical question.

>

 >

 >

 >>

 >>"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

>>news:%23BZgiZZZIHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>Hi,

>>>

 >>>Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then

>>>install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a

>>>life saver for me and thousands of others that must run older apps

>>>for at least awhile longer.

>>>

 >>>www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default." >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.

>>>mspx

>>>

 >>>--

>>>All the best,

>>>SG

>>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

>>>news:y6GdnTYdMO6GMT7anZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@athenet.net...

>>>>

 >>>>"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>>>>news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>>>>>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase

>>>>>when my

>>>>>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years.

>>>>>Has been

>>>>>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time

>>>>>it's

>>>>turned

>>>>>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to

>>>>>make

>>>>things

>>>>>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>>>>>issues

>>>>>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for

>>>>>it and

>>>>>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>>>>>

 >>>>>Thanks.

>>>>

 >>>>

 >>>><snip>

 >>>>

 >>>>Well I guess it's time for a new machine then...

>>>>sounds like you've gotten your money's worth out of that one.

>>>>

 >>>>If you go with Vista, there is of course the possibility that not

>>>>all your

>>>>apps and H/W will work.

>>>>

 >>>>I suppose you could google a bit to see it all your apps will run

>>>>under Vista...

>>>>and visit the website of the mfg to see if there is a Vista support

>>>>for your

>>>>printer.

>>>>

 >>>>If there is lack of Vista support...

>>>>do the same research for XP.

>>>>

 >>>>If it looks like all will work with Vista that's fine...

>>>>but if you find that XP support is more likely...

>>>>you still can purchase new machines with XP.

>>>>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>>

 >>>

 >>

 >



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AlexB

Registered User

Sat Feb 02 14:51:30 PST 2008

Re:NEW Vista PC with Older Software & Hardware?

All my Vistas are licensed via MSDN Pro membership. Will I qualify? I think

probably so because I saw Virtual PCs download down there. Never paid much

attention, though.



It is very important info, thanks.



"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

Quote
Hi AlexB



No slow down at all, it is independent of the operating system you install

it on. If fact you can install several Systems on VM 2007 and run them all

at the same time. One thing to make clear is you DO have to have a valid

license for is operating system you install just as if it was a new

machine.



--

All the best,

SG



"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in message

news:e$63MvcZIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>I have to admit you are 100% correct on this one.

>

 >"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t>wrote in message

>news:Xns9A384A741926Athisnthatadelphianet@207.46.248.16...

>>"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net>wrote in

>>news:#w8TjJbZIHA.4860@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>

 >>>How much does it slow down your apps?

>>

 >>Well, if you have an app that doens't run in Vista at all, but are able

>>to run it in a virtual machine, running it in VPC doesn't 'slow it down'

>>at all.

>>

 >>Your question is mathmatically impossible, no matter which way you try

>>to

>>figure it...using multiplication, multiplying by 0 always gives 0, and

>>you can't divide by 0, and 0 divided by anything = 0, so the answer is..

>>

 >>

 >>What an illogical question.

>>

 >>

 >>

 >>>

 >>>"SG" <sorry@nomail.com>wrote in message

>>>news:%23BZgiZZZIHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>>Hi,

>>>>

 >>>>Get your Vista machine then whatever apps won't work you can then

>>>>install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 FREE of charge. This has been a

>>>>life saver for me and thousands of others that must run older apps

>>>>for at least awhile longer.

>>>>

 >>>>www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default." >www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.

>>>>mspx

>>>>

 >>>>--

>>>>All the best,

>>>>SG

>>>>"philo" <philo@privacy.net>wrote in message

>>>>news:y6GdnTYdMO6GMT7anZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@athenet.net...

>>>>>

 >>>>>"bbibowen" <bbibowen@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

>>>>>news:D3253A32-FAAB-4FF6-A250-631F70C65493@microsoft.com...

>>>>>>It was already a very old used pc and it was a temporary purchase

>>>>>>when my

>>>>>>even older pc bought in 1999 finally bit the dust after6+ years.

>>>>>>Has been

>>>>>>having alot of problems that I've had repaired twice. Third time

>>>>>>it's

>>>>>turned

>>>>>>out to be hardware problems and after many hours spent trying to

>>>>>>make

>>>>>things

>>>>>>work.... the cost in trying to figure out exactly what the hardware

>>>>>>issues

>>>>>>are it makes more sense to start again considering what I paid for

>>>>>>it and

>>>>>>that it was meant as an interim machine.

>>>>&