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I am studying for the 290 MCP, I have MS-Press 290 book, my question is how

do you's rate the prcatice test exam on the companion CD, from Measureup,

because the book is published in 2003, is the practice exam dated now.

Thanks for your help.


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to bo honest your better of getting the papers from testking

se if any of your mates have them or you can buy them online

thats the way i passed but also read the book couple of time.

The real question is: How could you not "pass" if you got the answers before

taking the test?





A second question would be: Are you, better as a system administrator, after

feeding on someone else's work, than digesting the information and studying

all the topics instead of just what it takes to pass the exam?



Goal oriented...at any cost? Oh...Kay, seems only fair? Might as well give

up on tests for steroids in athletes too.



"chan" <chan@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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did you hear "=?Utf-8?B?Y2hhbg==?=" <chan@discussions.microsoft.com>say

in news:7BADE4DE-9C92-4AB8-9AB6-AB201E1D147F@microsoft.com:



GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOu slimy little A$$F@$#^@&! That's Cheating!!! VISCO! Stay away from

them if you want to have a cert that's worth a tinkers damn



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"chan" <chan@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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The "included" exam is a decent way to track your progress, but as you

realize...it is behind the curve. Within the Help section of the test, it

should list a URL that will direct you to errata and/or update page.

However, you need to realize the object of including the exam is not as

substitute for the full flavor version you purchase from Measure Up, it's

meant as a intro to their product line. Some people have successfully passed

the exam using the included exam, but have also used TechNet, whitepapers,

KB articles..etc to fill-in, augment and update things not covered in that

version.



Measure up, Transcended are arguably the most respected, legitimate exam

simulations, they have been in the business for quite a while and stay with

in the bounds of NDA. There are others that are no more than BrainDumps,

garnering information from actual, current exams to give the user unfair

advantage by offering predigested info on possible test subject matter. If

that is your goal I just hope you have someone at your next job that can

provide a similar service. The idea is to assimilate knowledge not memorize

it.



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did you hear "zenner" <zenner@pacbell.net>say in



the best



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All hail Bob. Congrats, welcome and all those other kudos.

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46?!?! Wow, if we're not carefull we'll soon be playing with a full deck!



welcome Bob...



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Congrats





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Nice One Zenner



Cheers for the advice, I am going through the mentioned web sites and find

them very good for getting further information on modules that are not

covered in various books, I am hungry to learn, and if I dont get the exam

this time, i will try again, there are more people out there that know the

MS product upside down and to coin MS phrase Inside Out, and dont have

certs. Its just a staus thing mainly for comanies to say, look how many

microsoft certified people we have on board, and for support companies to

advertise what they have to offer, well thats my 2c worth.



MS-ViSCO



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Bob! Bob! Bob!



Congrtas and Welcome.





Dare I ask for an acceptance Speech?





kpg

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Hmmm... I could prolly free up the first week of October to read it...



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I will be prepared to formally accept MCNGP status tomorrow, at which point

I will render a speech which will take several hours for JaR to read, not

because of it's length, but because JaR is dylsexic and the letters will

jumble.





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DAM - Mothers Against Dyslexia



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You're both going to conjur-up Paisley Skye and she's going to be mad as a

wet hen.





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IFYPFY



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I don't know exactly how to take the last comment...re: It's just a status

thing. Yes, it is a status thing, ...whether or not we are talking about

"just a status thing"...that's kind of up for debate.



Many companies over specify job requirements; ask for MCSE when what they

really need an MCP or MCSA Due to the current climate, they can ask for and

get exceedingly over qualified people to staff rather menial positions,

personally I don't think they are doing the candidate, the users or

themselves a favor. You can use a race horse to pull a wagon...but he ain't

gonna be happy.



I think a lot of the cheating, besides the cheater being of Low character,

is a response to the elevated requirements that have no basis in apparent

need for that level of skill. If a person sees a discrepancy between his (or

Her) daily duties and the hurdle they have to jump to get the job...it's

almost a neon sign that says...do whatever it takes to get the job, you

won't need to know most of the stuff anyway. that dilutes the respect for

the certification.



I know many companies that require MCSE/MCSA on staff to qualify for

discounts plans or to be listed on recommended lists of service providers,

vendors or sellers of products, services. The Mfg. wants to be sure that

their agent, the face the customer sees, is capable of not only selling a

solution, but can also install, administer, manage and trouble shoot the

product. It doesn't take much for a product to earn a bad reputation...an

unskilled installation leaves a bad taste in a customers mouth, then he

doesn't just blame the installer, his impression is that the product is bad.



So yes I agree there is a degree of credential creep, but to make the leap

to labeling achieving certification, especially advanced certifications, as

"just" a status thing!...is not recognizing there is a real need for

certification especially if its earned the old fashion way, by actually

knowing the product.



One other point in closing. No one will respect your credential, unless you

do first!



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Congrats! And good luck on your interview!



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Congrats baby!! Welcome on board!!!



RE: The Speech.



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Hi Zenner



I probabaly used the wrong term its "a status thing" for the exams, I do

rate MS exams and learning a lot of facts and tables are not going to get me

the exam, I will have to know most of the features of the NOS , well

according to the objectives for the 70-290, with the rest of the features

spread across other MCP's. Then reading most forums about the exam there

will be questions about features that are not on the objectives for the

above exam, so I have to take in as much as I can about the whole NOS. I am

happy with my progress so far, I havn't really went through any practice

exam as of yet, I will wait until closer to when I am sitting the exam,

mainly just to get feel for reading long questions and seeing how my time

will be, and that will depend what type of exam I get, some say 1hr 1/2

other over 3hrs. Keep you updated on how it pan's out.



All the best







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