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hey all,

before .net, how did visual c++ developers develop for the internet?



thanks,

rodchar


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"rodchar" wrote:

They had been hiring cheap VB and ASP programmers to do the

job.



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"rodchar" <rodchar@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

Did I miss something? Since when did C++ developers develop for the

internet?



Brian





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so can you utilize unmanaged c++ any when developing internet applications?



"Brian Muth" wrote:

rodchar wrote:

rodchar;



I'm sure it will shock you (and not just you!) to learn that I have a

whole web site built using classical CGI written in C++.



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Visual C++ MVP

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lol.



David, you are true retro. I have to admit C++ isn't exactly the first tool

_I_ pull out of the drawer when constructing a web site.



To the OP, you may want to look up these terms: ASP, JSP, PHP, ColdFusion.

Those are the first four that popped into my head. I'm sure there are plenty

of others.



Brian





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I did some web stuff in MFC a while back, but I didn't find it satisfying

:o)



I'm glad there are better ways to do these things these days.



Tom



"rodchar" <rodchar@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

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"rodchar" <rodchar@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

I've done it. It's perhaps more work than it's worth but you can write

"ISAPI extensions" to IIS with C++.



I could be wrong but I think that MFC and ATL both may have some classes

that take the sting out of the doing the job from scratch.



Regards,

Will

www.ivrforbeginners.com





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"Brian Muth" <bmuth@mvps.org>wrote in message

And the older (but still good) alternatives are the P-in-LAMP languages, (ok

PHP is one) perl, sometimes python.



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"rodchar" <rodchar@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message

By internet, do you mean "web browser"? Certainly all the first ActiveX

controls were written in C++.



TCP/IP in general is usually targetted by BSD sockets which have a C

interface which is at least as simple from C++ as any other language.



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Hi Will,



msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/w4t598dt(VS.80).aspx">msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/w4t598dt(VS.80).aspx



But, I've used these and I would advise people to use the more modern .NET

code for doing web programming. These are nice to have if you have no other

choice.



Tom



"William DePalo [MVP VC++]" <willd.no.spam@mvps.org>wrote in message

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thanks everyone for the feedback.



"rodchar" wrote:

I still develop Internet applications in C++. I don't touch the

WWW with a ten-foot pole though - I use plain sockets.



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"rodchar" <rodchar@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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"Tom Serface" <tom.nospam@camaswood.com>wrote in message

Or if



a) scalability is at the top of your requirements



and



b) you are really good



;-)



Regards,

Will





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Well, unfortunately, well, never mind...



Tom



"William DePalo [MVP VC++]" <willd.no.spam@mvps.org>wrote in message

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"William DePalo [MVP VC++]" <willd.no.spam@mvps.org>wrote in message

Sadly, depending on the availability of really good C++ programmers puts a

limit on project scalability.



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"Ben Voigt [C++ MVP]" <rbv@nospam.nospam>wrote in message

Right. Which is the reason why, for example, things like ASP and ASP.Net

exist - there are simply more Morts and Elvises than Einsteins.



Regards,

Will





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I've recently started working on an ASP.NET project. At first I found it to

be very confusing, mostly because the only real web programming I've done

before has been with Perl, but I'm starting to get the hang of it. I'm not

sure it takes and Einstein, but there certainly are a lot of nuances.



Tom



"William DePalo [MVP VC++]" <willd.no.spam@mvps.org>wrote in message

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thanks everyone for a thorough discussion.



"rodchar" wrote:

Hi,



It depends on what you mean by "internet". Most internet servers and the

modules they use, are still based on C++ and unmanaged code, but if you

mean "the web", it's usually separated into User Interface (UI),

Business Logic and Back-end data.



The UI is usually HTML/JavaScript but can be dynamically controlled by a

scripting language such as PHP, ASP



The Business Logic could be something like PERL, JAVA, COM/C++



The back-end could be mySQL, Postgres or SQLServer



You can also create pure CGI exe files with unmanaged C++ and both

Apache and IIS support creating filters using C++.



In my view, .NET doesn't really change the fundamentals of web

application design.



rodchar wrote:



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Gerry Hickman (London UK)

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