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Hi,



I have failed this exam twice and I need some advice on

the study tips.


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What did you use to study?



"Kris" <kristen.mcmillan@snapontools.co.uk>wrote in message



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I use MCSE Windows 2000 Server Training Kit Book and the

cd which came with it.

What about the actual server? Did you do the labs in the book or worked on

Windows2000 Server at all or did you just read the book? What about practice

exams? Measure up, Preplogic, etc....



<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>wrote in message



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study harder and don't fail. maybe you are just not cut out for this field.



"Kris" <kristen.mcmillan@snapontools.co.uk>wrote in message



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"Kris" <kristen.mcmillan@snapontools.co.uk>wrote in message

This field is saturated. There are experienced and certified people who

never failed an exam in their life who can't get a job. Take your situation

as fair warning as to your impending future.



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Politician Spock

Thug #24601





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First off don't listen to losers like Consultant and Politician Spock. They are jerks whom I have only seem offer good advice once or twice. May be even less. As for the issue of your question, I failed this exam the first time as well. I recommend you study the book material and reference the Microsoft MCP webpage for the test. It shows a list of things the test covers. Thats the material you want to study. By far the best book to get to study for this is the Readiness Reveiw from Microsoft. The questions are very similar in format to the test. Work your way through the chapters and tests reference the self-study guide from Microsoft, Sybex, etc. If you have any questions drop me an email and I'll see what I can do to help you out by explaining things. Finally, let me reiterate. Don't let all the losers on this newsgroup get you down. I work with a lot of people whom passed these tests on their first try (many of them cheating with braindumps a few legitimately) are no longer working in the field. Mainly do to the fact they have an attitude problem and no people skills and not because of their technology skills. Times are changing, people would rather deal with someone that knows a little, willing to learn, and has a good personality than the jerk who knows it all, talks down to them, and is patronizing

Chris Bec

MCP W2K Serve

Net+

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sure thing chris, losers, huh? just remember your place, junior





"Chris Beck" <techmail@ev1.net>wrote in message

even less. As for the issue of your question, I failed this exam the first

time as well. I recommend you study the book material and reference the

Microsoft MCP webpage for the test. It shows a list of things the test

covers. Thats the material you want to study. By far the best book to get to

study for this is the Readiness Reveiw from Microsoft. The questions are

very similar in format to the test. Work your way through the chapters and

tests reference the self-study guide from Microsoft, Sybex, etc. If you have

any questions drop me an email and I'll see what I can do to help you out by

explaining things. Finally, let me reiterate. Don't let all the losers on

this newsgroup get you down. I work with a lot of people whom passed these

tests on their first try (many of them cheating with braindumps a few

legitimately) are no longer working in the field. Mainly do to the fact they

have an attitude problem and no people skills and not because of their

technology skills. Times are changing, people would rather deal with someone

that knows a little, willing to learn, and has a good personality than the

jerk who knows it all, talks down to them, and is patronizing.



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Chris Beck opined, On 2/24/04 1:21 PM:

Yes, by all means pay very close attention to Chris, he has the coveted

MCP and Net+.



215 is one of the easiest tests there is. Time for a reality check.



JaR

Real Thug

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"Chris Beck" <techmail@ev1.net>wrote in message

There is a difference between dealing with people and being paid to do a

job. CIO's want the system to work. When it's time to get paid, that's 90%

of what matters.



--

Politician Spock

Thug #24601





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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:21:07 -0800, "Chris Beck" <techmail@ev1.net>

wrote:



less. As for the issue of your question, I failed this exam the first

time as well. I recommend you study the book material and reference

the Microsoft MCP webpage for the test. It shows a list of things the

test covers. Thats the material you want to study. By far the best

book to get to study for this is the Readiness Reveiw from Microsoft.

The questions are very similar in format to the test. Work your way

through the chapters and tests reference the self-study guide from

Microsoft, Sybex, etc. If you have any questions drop me an email and

I'll see what I can do to help you out by explaining things. Finally,

let me reiterate. Don't let all the losers on this newsgroup get you

down. I work with a lot of people whom passed these tests on their

first try (many of them cheating with braindumps a few legitimately)

are no longer

changing, people would rather deal with someone that knows a little,

willing to learn, and has a good personality than the jerk who knows

it all, talks down to them, and is patronizing.



I recognise the sentiment but have to disagree with you. Consultant(R)

is no luser, does know his stuff and when asked a question in his

league will answer. Whining because basic questions get flamed

(because the answers are on display in other posts) is pointless.



Change gear, ask better questions and do at least some of the leg-work

yourself and you'll get respectful answers to good questions.



You need to be at the right level to get good answers. To get to the

right level read some of the primers that gte recommended time after

time here by patient souls like Roger Abel and Laura.



The art is to ask the *rght* questions!



Marlin







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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:29:59 -0800, "Kris"

<kristen.mcmillan@snapontools.co.uk>wrote:



I'd really recommend that you improve the amount you can remember.



If you can afford it, go purchase accelerated learning by Brian Tracey

and Colin Rose which will ensure you remember far more of what you're

learning.



Tell me, do you get a feeling that you've read several pages but cant

remember the page before last ? If so Accelerated Learning Audio book

is for you.



Its likely you're just not playing to your strengths when you are

learning.



I have used this course, it works and I'm spending 25% less time

studying for 100% more recollection (and under exam pressures).



Once you've improved the way you study, get the MS Press 70-215 and

learn the material with the 70-216, 70-217 and 70-219 - there is an

acre of overlap between the courses.



Secret: Learn the other topics lightly and you'll find the 215 exam

more manageable.

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Cruel ;o)





On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:44:52 -0800, "Consultant"

<consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com>wrote:





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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:05:12 -0500, "Politician Spock"

<rhammersmith@hotmail.com>wrote:



Even more cruel - but cruel to be kind ;o)



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but true.



Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

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Nothing wrong with being cruel to be kind.



Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

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And is lame enough put it as part of his sig.



Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

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Utter crap.



Nowadays, companies are even less likely to spend cash training

trainees, then they were six years ago.



Companies want to compete now, today, not in three years time when

they have finished training these trainees.



Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

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Both of you have good points.

But... maybe he has no real experience and thats why he is not passing the exams. The

"real life" gives you a different point of view than the one that books gives you.

CIO wants the system to work and thats why they have different levels of "people"

(administrator, help desk, etc). These days there are no place for mistakes. But good

managers prefers people who makes mistakes trying to learn (not silly people touching

every config :-) than people who work by the book.



For him I have two things to say:



1. allways practice with the real software

2. allways ask if u have any questions and talk with people who are working with that

software



Good Luck!!!





"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com>wrote in message



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"Nicolas Pierri" <nn@nn.com>wrote in message



Given the current job market in this industry, he'll face a ton of

competition when he is done. I may be cruel in telling him to take a hint

from his failures, but I am kind by saving him from a $10 an hour career

(assuming he can find a job).



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Politician Spock

Thug #24601





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I had two points actually. The first being that there are

some people who post on this board for what appears to be

nothing other than harassment reasons. Secondly, the the

person need not give up because they can't pass a test. I

took this test a second time because the classes and

Microsoft self study guide didn't help me one bit. The

idea I had been given of the test format based on the

material and classes were different from the actual exam.

After I understood the test format and how to study the

material I had no problems passing.



Chris Beck

MCP Server 2000

Net+

That's interesting. So it doesn't matter how much you know, it's how

it's presented. You're saying the format made you fail?? I don't get it.



If you know the answer to a question, it doesn't matter how it's

presented. The test was hardly written in Japanese. Unless you asked for

it to be. Konichiwa.



Chris Beck wrote:



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Kat MCNGP Wanna be



/* Saying your OS is the best in the world 'cause more people use it is

like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. */



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Correct. And apparently managers in this day and age would rather be told in

a nice manner that their system doesn't work, than to be told the system is

working.



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Politician Spock

Thug #24601





"kat" <eternalbliss@NOSPAM.techie.com>wrote in message



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