Pardon my bluntness, but...

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
_repair_ what MS update did to your computer.

Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??

I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
until I am _totally_ confident that:

a. I won't lose my internet connection
b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
error
c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
update.
d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
Who do they think they are: God???

Windows XP1343

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Then you will never install any updates.
If you apply a similar standard to other programs from any manufacturer, you
also will never install anything else---EVER.

The updates seem bad largely for a few reasons:
Windows is used on a LARGE number of computers.
This newsgroup is primarily to solve problems so it is expected there will
be problems brought here.
Go to a hospital and judge the health of the human race solely by what is
observed there.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

"newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>
> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>
> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>
> a. I won't lose my internet connection
> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> error
> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> update.
> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> Who do they think they are: God???

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... What kind of crap is that: comparing a hospital to this newsgroup?
You insult all here in that case. I have installed past updates, since
last May, with no problems. If my computer gets messed-up due to this
updates and I can't _even_ get_ to this newsgroup, or the internet for
that matter, how good is it for help? I see only problems and no
successes here. How about you?

BTW, if one of the largest and richest companies in the world, which
"is used on a LARGE number of computers" can't look ahead and
read the user's machine and _give_the_right_updates, then the
company is at fault, not the customer/user. I bought the software. I
expect them to at least make an effort to remedy the problems. Is that
too much to ask?

I notice you, Jones, help a lot. That's good. What's not good is that
you have to help, on your own time. Doesn't it p*ss you off sometimes?

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:42:38 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>Then you will never install any updates.
>If you apply a similar standard to other programs from any manufacturer, you
>also will never install anything else---EVER.
>
>The updates seem bad largely for a few reasons:
>Windows is used on a LARGE number of computers.
>This newsgroup is primarily to solve problems so it is expected there will
>be problems brought here.
>Go to a hospital and judge the health of the human race solely by what is
>observed there.

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... "effort to remedy the problems"
Is a long way from "totally_ confident"
The later suggests perfection which is simply not possible.

As for the hospital comparison, that is a fair comparison.
People bring their computer health issues here.
People bring their personal health issues to a hospital.
Neither place is a good place to use to make judgements about the health of
either.
In both, the healthy are less likely to visit.

No, I am not bothered by it.
I help to attempt to solve problems regardless the cause.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

"newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> What kind of crap is that: comparing a hospital to this newsgroup?
> You insult all here in that case. I have installed past updates, since
> last May, with no problems. If my computer gets messed-up due to this
> updates and I can't _even_ get_ to this newsgroup, or the internet for
> that matter, how good is it for help? I see only problems and no
> successes here. How about you?
>
> BTW, if one of the largest and richest companies in the world, which
> "is used on a LARGE number of computers" can't look ahead and
> read the user's machine and _give_the_right_updates, then the
> company is at fault, not the customer/user. I bought the software. I
> expect them to at least make an effort to remedy the problems. Is that
> too much to ask?
>
> I notice you, Jones, help a lot. That's good. What's not good is that
> you have to help, on your own time. Doesn't it p*ss you off sometimes?

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... I never had a problem with Updates and I never post of my success on the =
latter. Those that do have already some issues with their OS even before =
they download and install the MS Updates. The failures are so minimal.=20

Like human nature, nobody sees the good but all see the bad. You also =
fall into the latter category.

If you do not want to Update that is your privilege. But if something =
goes wrong with your system you will be one of the 1st ones to say all =
those things that you posted above in your posts.

Might as well not even open your computer because you will have most of =
the issues that are posted in this and other newsgroups.

I have no patience for people like you that withdraw to a safe corner =
because a few said so.

--=20
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message =
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> What kind of crap is that: comparing a hospital to this newsgroup?
> You insult all here in that case. I have installed past updates, since
> last May, with no problems. If my computer gets messed-up due to this
> updates and I can't _even_ get_ to this newsgroup, or the internet for
> that matter, how good is it for help? I see only problems and no
> successes here. How about you?
>=20
> BTW, if one of the largest and richest companies in the world, which
> "is used on a LARGE number of computers" can't look ahead and
> read the user's machine and _give_the_right_updates, then the
> company is at fault, not the customer/user. I bought the software. I
> expect them to at least make an effort to remedy the problems. Is that
> too much to ask?
>=20
> I notice you, Jones, help a lot. That's good. What's not good is that
> you have to help, on your own time. Doesn't it p*ss you off sometimes?
>=20
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:42:38 -0700, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:
>=20
>>Then you will never install any updates.
>>If you apply a similar standard to other programs from any =
manufacturer, you=20
>>also will never install anything else---EVER.
>>
>>The updates seem bad largely for a few reasons:
>>Windows is used on a LARGE number of computers.
>>This newsgroup is primarily to solve problems so it is expected there =
will=20
>>be problems brought here.
>>Go to a hospital and judge the health of the human race solely by what =
is=20
>>observed there.
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Users do NOT post to this newsgroup to say that they had no problems after
installing updates.
--
~PA Bear

newswatcher wrote:
> I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>
> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>
> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>
> a. I won't lose my internet connection
> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> error
> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> update.
> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> Who do they think they are: God???

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Well I don't have problems with the updates so have no need to come here
and complain. When you consider the number coming here to the number of
people who don't have problems it's a mere drop in the ocean.
However large the company you cannot hope to know how each person has
their machine set up and what they have running so my view is they do a
pretty good job of keeping everything up to date.
Joan

newswatcher wrote:
>I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>
> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>
> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>
> a. I won't lose my internet connection
> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> error
> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> update.
> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> Who do they think they are: God???

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... dear newswatcher,

thats not bluntness, it's COMMON-SENSE!!!. why do we put-up with this
appauling service from ms. i've been trying to down load windows xp service
pack 3 for months with little success, i cant even find an explination for
the failure code.. and yes i have now given up down loading any more up
dates, they seam to cause more probs than they're worth. good luck x--
not a clue what i''m supposed to be doing here.. lol

"newswatcher" wrote:

> I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>
> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>
> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>
> a. I won't lose my internet connection
> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> error
> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> update.
> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> Who do they think they are: God???
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... newswatcher wrote:
> I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates,
> then I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how
> to _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>
> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>
> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>
> a. I won't lose my internet connection
> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> error
> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> update.
> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> Who do they think they are: God???

sharon wrote:
> thats not bluntness, it's COMMON-SENSE!!!. why do we put-up with
> this appauling service from ms. i've been trying to down load
> windows xp service pack 3 for months with little success, i cant
> even find an explination for the failure code.. and yes i have now
> given up down loading any more up dates, they seam to cause more
> probs than they're worth. good luck x-- not a clue what i''m
> supposed to be doing here.. lol

Hoping Sharon is joking - since Windows XP Service Pack 3 doesn't exist...
If Sharon isn't joking, Sharon is in fine company with "newswatcher".

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Service pack 3 Sharon thats going to start a rush as far as I am aware there
is only a service pack 2 out ( which I still havent managed to download
sussessfully!)

"sharon" wrote:

> dear newswatcher,
>
> thats not bluntness, it's COMMON-SENSE!!!. why do we put-up with this
> appauling service from ms. i've been trying to down load windows xp service
> pack 3 for months with little success, i cant even find an explination for
> the failure code.. and yes i have now given up down loading any more up
> dates, they seam to cause more probs than they're worth. good luck x--
> not a clue what i''m supposed to be doing here.. lol
>
>
> "newswatcher" wrote:
>
> > I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> > I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> > _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
> >
> > Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
> >
> > I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> > until I am _totally_ confident that:
> >
> > a. I won't lose my internet connection
> > b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> > error
> > c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> > update.
> > d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> > Who do they think they are: God???
> >

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but...
"newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> BTW, if one of the largest and richest companies in the world, which
> "is used on a LARGE number of computers" can't look ahead and
> read the user's machine and _give_the_right_updates, then the
> company is at fault, not the customer/user.

You want MS to be able to look into every detail of your machine remotely,
determine what crap applications, virii, file sharing programs, spyware,
etc., etc., etc. you have clogged up your machine with, then make update
suggestions accordingly? Get real. There's already an uproar about MS
getting _any_ information from a user's machine.

The VAST majority of machines I have encountered that have problems with
updates have some sort of underlying problem which cannot be laid at
Microsoft's feet.

If you want to argue the fact that all these updates are even necessary due
to the number of vulnerabilities, then you have a point.

And no, I'm not currently having any problems with WU on any of my machines.
I lurk here to read up on potential issues with updates before I download
them. Maintenance of my PC is my responsibility, not Microsoft's.

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Good reply Joan

John Allen
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:30:39 -0000, "Joan Archer"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>Well I don't have problems with the updates so have no need to come here
>and complain. When you consider the number coming here to the number of
>people who don't have problems it's a mere drop in the ocean.
>However large the company you cannot hope to know how each person has
>their machine set up and what they have running so my view is they do a
>pretty good job of keeping everything up to date.
>Joan
>
>
>newswatcher wrote:
>>I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
>> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
>> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>>
>> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>>
>> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
>> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>>
>> a. I won't lose my internet connection
>> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
>> error
>> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
>> update.
>> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
>> Who do they think they are: God???
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Thanks, Joan. I was having a bad day, I guess, but your response was
kind and helpful (in perspective). Appreciate it...I'd better keep my
mouth shut because I just may need help here myself in the future :-)

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:30:39 -0000, "Joan Archer"
<EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote:

>Well I don't have problems with the updates so have no need to come here
>and complain. When you consider the number coming here to the number of
>people who don't have problems it's a mere drop in the ocean.
>However large the company you cannot hope to know how each person has
>their machine set up and what they have running so my view is they do a
>pretty good job of keeping everything up to date.
>Joan
>
>
>newswatcher wrote:
>>I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
>> I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
>> _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
>>
>> Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
>>
>> I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
>> until I am _totally_ confident that:
>>
>> a. I won't lose my internet connection
>> b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
>> error
>> c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
>> update.
>> d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
>> Who do they think they are: God???
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but...
"Joan Archer" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> Well I don't have problems with the updates so have no need to come here
> and complain. When you consider the number coming here to the number of
> people who don't have problems it's a mere drop in the ocean.
> However large the company you cannot hope to know how each person has
> their machine set up and what they have running so my view is they do a
> pretty good job of keeping everything up to date.
> Joan
>
>
snip

This a silly response that seems to be popular. How many actually frequent
this News Group? A very small proportion of those that actually have WINXP
installed on their machine I would suggest, although I don't know and
neither do you! The number that visit here may be relatively small, and I
suspect it is, then the problems aired here may be far more widely spread
than you are implying.

Exactly what do you mean by how "each person has their machine set up"?
Are you suggesting that selecting various options from the menues may cause
problems with updating?

With respect to running other software, I assume that is what you mean, at
least we can agree upon that. Installing other software that has been
poorly coded may cause conflicts with the OS but to date I have not seen
anyone actually identify a program that when installed does interfere
Updating, other that a virus/trojan that is.

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Good for you Jupiter Jones!!! I'm glad there are people like you 'out there'
willing to help!

Good for you newswatcher!!! I'm glad there is a kindred spirit 'out there'
who seems just as p*ssed and fed up with the incredible amount of maintenance
and effort one has to go through just to keep a piece of plastic, metal and
sand operating like it was supposed to!

I have been in total duldrums for the past 5 days desperately trying to work
through a Windows Update problem that succeeded in disabling my antivirus,
internet security, mail system and numerous apps....

but the joy when I discovered the solution!! Feelings of ecstacy and elation
unbelievable.....how stupid am I??? It's a piece of plastic and stuff!!!

I really do think that more should be done by Mr Gates to improve the
stability of the operating system. Having seen the WindowsXP Installation
pages appearing during my numerous reinstalls recently, reminding me of the
'superior stability of Windows XP'...was starting to grate a little on the
nerves... However, all in all, I'm back to being a happy chappy again...lucky
me!

Regards, Emonator
--
All IT roads lead to Gates!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Then you will never install any updates.
> If you apply a similar standard to other programs from any manufacturer, you
> also will never install anything else---EVER.
>
> The updates seem bad largely for a few reasons:
> Windows is used on a LARGE number of computers.
> This newsgroup is primarily to solve problems so it is expected there will
> be problems brought here.
> Go to a hospital and judge the health of the human race solely by what is
> observed there.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
> >I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> > I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> > _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
> >
> > Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
> >
> > I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> > until I am _totally_ confident that:
> >
> > a. I won't lose my internet connection
> > b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> > error
> > c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> > update.
> > d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> > Who do they think they are: God???
>
>
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... Generally...you're right...but in my case...I'm telling the WORLD about my
success tonight!!!

:-)

But it just makes me feel all the sadder, that solving such a problem should
become something of importance and significance...and I took TODAY off work
to solve this issue on my home computer!! Geezz, I gotta get a life!!

Emonator
--
All IT roads lead to Gates!

"PA Bear" wrote:

> Users do NOT post to this newsgroup to say that they had no problems after
> installing updates.
> --
> ~PA Bear
>
> newswatcher wrote:
> > I am seeing all these errors with the February critical updates, then
> > I am seeing posts to go to such-and-such site to find out how to
> > _repair_ what MS update did to your computer.
> >
> > Question: Why doesn't MS just make available an update that works??
> >
> > I'm not downloading _any_ updates (especially the Windoes XP ones)
> > until I am _totally_ confident that:
> >
> > a. I won't lose my internet connection
> > b. Won't have to visit 10 sites to correct _their_
> > error
> > c. Am confident that my anti-virus will still _work_ after an
> > update.
> > d. I'll take my chances on what I have now. To hell with MS.
> > Who do they think they are: God???
>
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... No problem <g> glad I could help. I have days like that but do a lot of
lurking in the Microsoft ng's trying to learn, which is never ending <g>
Hope you manage to get things sorted out.
Joan

newswatcher wrote:
> Thanks, Joan. I was having a bad day, I guess, but your response was
> kind and helpful (in perspective). Appreciate it...I'd better keep my
> mouth shut because I just may need help here myself in the future :-)
>

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... I don't see how my response was silly, I was just giving my opinion and
not implying anything.

As to what I meant with the remark about machine set up, yes different
software, hardware or numerous other set up functions which people have
done to the initial install, I would expect to make a differerence to the
way the system runs.

I will say again though that this is just my opinion and I'm glad that
there are these ng's where people can come and get help with all their
problems regardless of whether they are through machine errors or human
error, and the regulars who help out here do a great job and deserve our
thanks.

Joan

Edward W. Thompson wrote:
>>
> snip
>
> This a silly response that seems to be popular. How many actually
> frequent this News Group? A very small proportion of those that
> actually have WINXP installed on their machine I would suggest,
> although I don't know and neither do you! The number that visit here
> may be relatively small, and I suspect it is, then the problems aired
> here may be far more widely spread than you are implying.
>
> Exactly what do you mean by how "each person has their machine set
> up"? Are you suggesting that selecting various options from the
> menues may cause problems with updating?
>
> With respect to running other software, I assume that is what you
> mean, at least we can agree upon that. Installing other software
> that has been poorly coded may cause conflicts with the OS but to
> date I have not seen anyone actually identify a program that when
> installed does interfere Updating, other that a virus/trojan that is.

Windows XP Update >> Pardon my bluntness, but... gw wrote:
> "newswatcher" <EMail@HideDomain.com> wrote in message
> news:EMail@HideDomain.com...
>> BTW, if one of the largest and richest companies in the world, which
>> "is used on a LARGE number of computers" can't look ahead and
>> read the user's machine and _give_the_right_updates, then the
>> company is at fault, not the customer/user.
>
> You want MS to be able to look into every detail of your machine remotely,
> determine what crap applications, virii, file sharing programs, spyware,
> etc., etc., etc. you have clogged up your machine with, then make update
> suggestions accordingly? Get real. There's already an uproar about MS
> getting _any_ information from a user's machine.
>
> The VAST majority of machines I have encountered that have problems with
> updates have some sort of underlying problem which cannot be laid at
> Microsoft's feet.
>
> If you want to argue the fact that all these updates are even necessary due
> to the number of vulnerabilities, then you have a point.
>
> And no, I'm not currently having any problems with WU on any of my machines.
> I lurk here to read up on potential issues with updates before I download
> them. Maintenance of my PC is my responsibility, not Microsoft's.
>
>
I believe that you are full of beans.

--
Rick

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